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    Quote Originally Posted by phonicsmonkey View Post
    The IMF are really good at doing this to countries.
    IA is quite correct; politicians are responsible for dragging the countries down the p00p-hole, and if they want help afterwards it comes with the lenders conditions attached.

    The lender wants their money back, with interest, so those conditions attached quite rightly include reforms that will drag the country back out of the p00p-hole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furunculus View Post
    IA is quite correct; politicians are responsible for dragging the countries down the p00p-hole, and if they want help afterwards it comes with the lenders conditions attached.

    The lender wants their money back, with interest, so those conditions attached quite rightly include reforms that will drag the country back out of the p00p-hole.
    Athens is not going to wait for two years until they have their next national election. Nor is the island Crete. And those two are the main political powerhouses of Greece. There is going to be blood in the streets, I fear. I was very depressed when I left, I must say. I love Greece with all my heart, I love their chaos, their pride, their hospitality, their landscape and sea, their food, their music, I love the way people wear their hearts on their sleeves and I love the fact that Greeks are such tough cookies, always have been. But this is going to end badly. And everybody knows. Taxi drivers, civil servants, shop owners, pensioners, mothers taking their kids to school - they all say the same thing: "It takes only this (they snap their finger) to happen and we burn down our whole parliament with the politicians in it."



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    They should do that really, it ain't their fault.

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    It's the little things that tell you when things are bad now, like it takes 14hrs to fly Dublin to Greece due to a lack of any meaningful business or tourism contacts between the two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy View Post
    It's the little things that tell you when things are bad now, like it takes 14hrs to fly Dublin to Greece due to a lack of any meaningful business or tourism contacts between the two.
    Plus you always need a Plan B because there are massive strikes all the time. One day it's the taxi's, the next day it's all public transport, the day after that it's restaurant owners. And so on, like a relay race.

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    I wonder when the Army will take over? (again)

    My dads making plans as we type to get the hell out of there. Paradise lost indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    Paradise lost indeed.
    You go to the old streets around the Plaka where they used to have the good food, you know, before Athens had the Olympics and they got all fancy - those ramshackle tavernas where only Greeks used to go with huge familes and kids and colleagues from work, where they gave free meals to beggars and where knew all the old songs and tunes.

    Nowadays they're half-empty, nobody is dancing - but the beggars are there alright...



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    I wonder when the Army will take over? (again)

    My dads making plans as we type to get the hell out of there. Paradise lost indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian II View Post
    Athens is not going to wait for two years until they have their next national election. Nor is the island Crete. And those two are the main political powerhouses of Greece. There is going to be blood in the streets, I fear. I was very depressed when I left, I must say. I love Greece with all my heart, I love their chaos, their pride, their hospitality, their landscape and sea, their food, their music, I love the way people wear their hearts on their sleeves and I love the fact that Greeks are such tough cookies, always have been. But this is going to end badly. And everybody knows. Taxi drivers, civil servants, shop owners, pensioners, mothers taking their kids to school - they all say the same thing: "It takes only this (they snap their finger) to happen and we burn down our whole parliament with the politicians in it."



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    nothing you have said i disagree with, and it is very sad, but none of the above seems incompatible with what i said above.
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