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    BrownWings: AirViceMarshall Senior Member Furunculus's Avatar
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    Default Re: The continuing battle against the inevitable Euro area default

    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian II View Post
    P.S. Oh dear, Furunculus is doing a Farrage.
    what's a "farage"

    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    You know I am pro-representation and you know my views on what a Federal Europe should become. In the same breath, you don't want my vision of Europe to ever occur because full well your arguments of "no representation" "lack of democracy" "stupid bureaucracy" would no longer be valid, so the world you have shaped in your vision would be ney impossible to create.
    that's because i don't recognise 'europe' to be a valid demos whereby i can have a reasonable amount of confidence that a broad majority view shares my aims and expectations, thus reassuring me that when bad things happen that the response will be predictable and conform to my desires.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian II View Post
    I know. Furunculus just compared the EU to the USSR just like Farrage did.
    Hence my remark that he was doing a Farrage.
    AII
    aha, i understand, but presuming you are referring to the soviet-elections hyperlink that was predicated on the EU creating this transfer union without the a mandate from its 'people', which would be an excellent parallel to the old soviet lark of giving everyone a vote which makes no tangible difference to their governance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    There are a great many people advocating for reform, to usher in a era of a stable and democratic Europe
    i'm one of them, i want to return europe to a solid principle of intergovernmental rule whereby sovereign nations beholden to their electorates via legitimate ties founded in representation and accountability.
    Last edited by Furunculus; 08-23-2011 at 23:19.
    Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar

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