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    Default Re: The continuing battle against the inevitable Euro area default

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    The IMF politicians are really good at doing this to countries.
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    When you have surplus you help the weak and bump up welfare.

    When you have a debt you tighten welfare and encourage growth.

    Increasin income tax is not austerity it's the wrong side of the budget.
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    Default Re: The continuing battle against the inevitable Euro area default

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    When you have surplus you help the weak and bump up welfare.

    When you have a debt you tighten welfare and encourage growth.

    Increasin income tax is not austerity it's the wrong side of the budget.
    Exactly, but it is more confounded by the fact they don't have the money for the Welfare and so raises taxes which ends up putting more people on Welfare, which raises taxes again... Fail Economies.

    Being honest, the problem with the "Bail Out" is that it isn't actually a "Bail Out". A "Bail Out" would imply we were actually giving them money. We are not. We are simply lending them money so they are still in debt anyway, just a different debtor.
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    Default Re: The continuing battle against the inevitable Euro area default

    If you'll allow me to jump in for a moment, the issue with restructuring Greece's debt right now can be found in the rigidity of its european partners.

    And while you cannot always agree with Roubini, I've to recommend his latest article: Eight drastic policy measures necessary to prevent global economic collapse

    Also, there was this analysis in zerohedge two-three weeks ago on the slightly desperate report assessing the Eurozone put out by UBS (Euro Break Up - The Consequences): Bring out your dead -- you can find the whole UBS report enclosed at the end of the article.


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    Default Re: The continuing battle against the inevitable Euro area default

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    If you'll allow me to jump in for a moment, the issue with restructuring Greece's debt right now can be found in the rigidity of its european partners.
    Indeed, and this (ideological) rigidity is ensconced in the EU institutions. Take for instance Roubini's recommendation that "The European Central Bank should reverse its mistaken decision to hike interest rates". That might be a sensible thing to do, but the ECB's statutory mission is to guarantee "price stability" before everything else.

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