Euro Area

[SoFarSoGood]

The future of fish should NOT be a political 'football'. It just needs doing.

[Papewaio]

If you lost the ability to set quotas on fish why isn't offshore oil in a similar situation? I assume UK still has sovereignty over its oil, so why can't it quota it's fish?

If you can't quota then you can't conserve and you also appear to lack sovereignty over a key aspect of a nation and that is its waters. I'm sure there is no unrestricted access to farmland too.

[gaelic cowboy]

If you lost the ability to set quotas on fish why isn't offshore oil in a similar situation? I assume UK still has sovereignty over its oil, so why can't it quota it's fish?

If you can't quota then you can't conserve and you also appear to lack sovereignty over a key aspect of a nation and that is its waters. I'm sure there is no unrestricted access to farmland too.

The oil stays in one place and so does the platform hence it is controllable

[Papewaio]

The oil stays in one place and so does the platform hence it is controllable

So it seems special interest groups are filling up the troughs of the indirectly elected EU politicians.

The rulesets look like they haven't been thought out holistically. Most of the time you see the EU ahead/over reacting to conservation claims. But just like the Mediterranean it seems the North Sea is going to soon be overfished.

If you have an EU quota one would expect an EU coast guard/navy to enforce the rules kind of like an Interpol of the seas.

If you cannot enforce rules within your sovereignty it is a failure of the state.

Look at what happened to Somalia when Europeans pillaged their fisheries.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

So it seems special interest groups are filling up the troughs of the indirectly elected EU politicians.

The rulesets look like they haven't been thought out holistically. Most of the time you see the EU ahead/over reacting to conservation claims. But just like the Mediterranean it seems the North Sea is going to soon be overfished.

If you have an EU quota one would expect an EU coast guard/navy to enforce the rules kind of like an Interpol of the seas.

If you cannot enforce rules within your sovereignty it is a failure of the state.

Look at what happened to Somalia when Europeans pillaged their fisheries.

The only way for Britain to enforce sanity is unilaterally, and we would be vengefully punished.

I happen to think that this is important enough that we should do it anyway - but that's not the point. The point is you can't get 27 separate countries to agree a sane fisheries policy, especially when Spain can buy off countries like Poland with votes at a later date.

Stop the EU - we want to get off.

[SoFarSoGood]

So I read this Future of Europe Group (Foreign Ministers of 11 countries) paper and some of it not actualy BAD bad... They propose an elected 'President' and that the European Parliament will be able to start legislation (whereas at present only the Commission can do this and the Parliament just says yes or no). Yes it does mention a common defence policy etc... basicly the blueprint for a pseudo democratic new country called Europe. The is a new 'Treaty' in the making... definately what they see as the future. We all know how they have a habit getting their Treaties passed...

They might need this new army sooner then they think... Catalonia is going to the polls on November 25 and if the seperatists win they have promised a referemdum of independance; "The time has come to exercise the right to self-determination" says Catalonia's President Artur Mas. Such a vote is unconstitutional in Spanish law... Given Colonel Francisco Alaman reaction to such an idea ("...over my dead body") and the fact that 25% of young Spanish are unemployed and a lot trouble could be brewing.

[Kralizec]

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publica...ts?view=Binary

Nationals of these countries, like their EU counterparts, have the right to live
and work in any Member State of the Union. EEA nationals who are either
working (employed or in self-employment) or who are non-economically active
but able to support themselves without recourse to public funds, including
students, have the same right as EU nationals to reside in the United
Kingdom under European Law.

...

A job seeker is a person in search of work for the first time or those between
jobs or in training. An EEA national must be able to provide evidence that
he/she is seeking employment. A job seeker is expected to be able to get
employment within 6 months of the beginning of a search and is not entitled to
benefits. The evidence required for those seeking employment will also
depend on the date of the birth of the child.

EDIT: more to the point:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...77:0123:EN:PDF

1. All Union citizens shall have the right of residence on the territory of another Member State for
a period of longer than three months if they:
(a) are workers or self-employed persons in the host Member State; or
(b) have sufficient resources for themselves and their family members not to become a burden on
the social assistance system of the host Member State during their period of residence and
have comprehensive sickness insurance cover in the host Member State; or
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[Papewaio]

EU has a capital liquidity problem at the moment.

It doesn't take a genius to point out that capital liquidity isn't going to be resolved by making labour static.

[gaelic cowboy]

EU has a capital liquidity problem at the moment.

It doesn't take a genius to point out that capital liquidity isn't going to be resolved by making labour static.

The rules in the EU are making capital static there will still be a problem even with 100% movement of population.

[SoFarSoGood]

[SoFarSoGood]

http://www.msz.gov.pl/files/docs/kom...ORT/report.pdf

Report of the Future of Europe Group... army and all! No votes ein volk etc...

[Fragony]

http://www.msz.gov.pl/files/docs/kom...ORT/report.pdf

Report of the Future of Europe Group... army and all! No votes ein volk etc...

Meet my greatest fear. I want to live in a non-totalitarian place so not in the EU, actually making plans to get the out of here. Zimbabwe looks pretty nice, less corruption and safer