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Is it really understandable?

Aren't all Democratic Governments ultimately responsible to their voters. If a country is principally run by one of two political parties and both parties acknowledge that the majority of the electorate do not want deeper European integration for their country, then whatever party is in power should respect that wish.

This is not a question of "vote for a Eurosceptic party", because all the parties know the will of the people is Eurosceptic and it is incumbent on them to govern accordingly - especially when they all said they would.

Democratic governments as we know them are electable olichargies. That's not a nice description, but essentially true. Its rulers are accountable to their voters because if they're ill perceived, they're expendable and can be replaced. If "deeper European integration" is such a hot issue for the majority of voters, they should vote for the UKIP or the BNP. That way, you're out of the EU. Your society and economy will be in ruins of course, because you just elected idiots. The idea that whatever party holds power at the moment needs to consult the opinion polls before making a decision would make representative democracy pointless and impotent.

I've seen many British people, on this forum and elsewhere, who try to paint their political system as some sort of "special" system which serves the nation's wellbeing more than any other system. Especially those continentals, with their proportional representation and civil law - gross! As soon as their politicians agree to sanction the EU, however, it's a gross abuse of representative democracy. Go figure.

Most people in the Netherlands would agree that leaving the EU would be a bad idea. We don't have an entrenched two party system like you doj, and we do have various eurosceptic parties - composed of idiots and loons, like yours. In the last two elections I supported a pro-european party, and as I've said before the eurosceptics' failure to organise themselves into an electable party with competent politicians is not my problem.

As to why Cameron didn't offer a vote on Lisbon - he admitted as soon as the Irish ratified the treaty with a gun to their heads

That is a rather disingenious way to explain why the Irish voted for the Lisbon treaty.

And for Cameron - it's phrased like a sorry excuse, which coincidentally ties in with my argument about not resisting something the rest has already agreed upon.


Deny, if you will, that you won't get a feeling of satisfaction if the monetary union implodes. I won't be happy because I'll probably be unemployed and poor. Likewise, I challenge you to state that you'll be glad you were wrong if the eurozone pulls through this. Because I've never seen anything in your posts that suggests this.

It is doubtfull that the majority of European voters agree with your view that they have an interest in making the EU succeed. As for this "cowers in the face of its voters"... Governments should cower in the face of people; the Government serves the people and not vice versa. The Common Law of England binds the Queen, not the other way around.

This statement makes me doubt wether you understand at all how Common Law came about, how it developed or what it is.

Any country whose population wants the EU to fail should, quite frankly, GTFO. Failing that, its governments should still act to make it work because they have that duty towards the other members.

Democracticly elected governments should not cower in the face of the people. Anyone who argues that is an anarchist, completely clueless or simply lives in a country whose government can't be described as "democraticly elected".

An elected politician should do what he thinks is right for the country, act accordingly and then explain to his voters why he did what he did. It remains to be seen wether Cameron's party will be punished for his "we should stay in the EU because it's in our interest". If he were an honest guy instead of a spineless wimp he would have made that clear before the last election instead of pandering to the tabloid reading crowd with his eurosceptic pandering.