In that case we need a Scientology symbol in there as well.Originally Posted by Tiaexz
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In that case we need a Scientology symbol in there as well.
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Never claimed any of that, so I won't adress it.
Well they would, wouldn't they? On the eurosceptic side they're responsible for a large part of trashy rethoric.
I don't know how they arrived at the choice of Monti, or wether there were other serious contenders. Doesn't matter as far as I'm concerned. Monti's cabinet is sanctioned by democraticly elected MP's and is therefore legitimate.Which 29,600 odd more votes than have ever been cast for Monti. Did the Italian MPs have a choice of candidates... sadly not. Some election!
Who are you to decide wether Italian politics are democratic or not, anyway?
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So your quite happy with your pet EU project to depict symbols of torture, murder, ethnic-cleansing, mass starvation and terror. Probably the most evil ideology ever.
*boggle*
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
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Right, the Hammer and Sickle is obviously an oversight by the arts department but it is pretty obvious why it was there, it is someone trying to say Europe tolerates everyone. They needed some QA before releasing.
As for your second point, you are clearly not understanding the message it is trying to say. Putting a massive cross, a picture of Calvin, Darwin Fish, Martin Luther and sticking a little Crecent in the corner doesn't really express the values it is trying to portray. That of acceptance and religious freedom. It is not meant to be accurate.
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I wouldn't have expected any less from the omni-shambles that is the EU.It is not meant to be accurate.
For balance they should have the swastika there as well. After all the EU embraces everyone.Right, the Hammer and Sickle is obviously an oversight by the arts department but it is pretty obvious why it was there
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There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
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1) I don't agree to EU in its current format, therefore, it is not my "pet project". Because you are a Tory, it doesn't mean you agree with everything David Cameron says and does and actively champion it.
2) The symbol doesn't actually depict that, it is like arguing Buddhists are proud owners of Mien Kampf.
3) Meaning of symbol aside, it doesn't take much of an educational guess to understand why the slip-up occurred.
However, it is not clear reason to start banging a war-drum up and getting your knickers in a twist.
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Except nasty people. Like democratically elected governments of other states.
But it likes nice people. Like undemocratically elected governments of other states.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
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What! Because I'm not left wing therefore I have to be a tory. I wouldn't lend them a penny never mind my vote.Because you are a Tory, it doesn't mean you agree with everything David Cameron says and does and actively champion it.
I'm as disgusted with the tories as I am with all the big three partys. None of them represent or speak for me.
For the record: Voted in '79-tory
Voted in '83 SDP
Voted in '87 tory
I've abstained ever since.
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There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
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indeed, they can't decide whether they have allowed direct bank recapitalization from the ESM, or not. iz confoozed:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/f...-Hollande.html
indeed, wop a swastika in there and i'll be happy, after all, there are quite a few neo-nazi's in europe too, and we would want to infringe their human rights by denying them representation, now would we?
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So first you reject the notion that it is anything to do with the euro, then say the problems were caused by property bubbles but now can't explain how this applies to all countries so now you don't want to talk about it anymore.
A choice of one candidate, who has NO public approval, is NOT a democratic election.
I see... Because I am not Italian my opinion is irrelevant? On this count the holocaust or the 'ethnic cleansing' of the Balkans was nobody elses business.
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Did your education end at the age of 12? Because I have never seen an educated adult so lacking in reading comprehension.
Ok, watching that was a waste of time.
- Bloom interrupts Schultz by shouting "Ein volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer"
- he was given the opportunity to apologize, but instead of that, he added some more by calling Schultz an undemocratic fascist
- he was asked to leave, because he clearly violated the house rules of the EP
- Bloom screams and yells like a petulant brat
This was actually one of the counterexamples I was going to use.
Farage accuses the president of double standards, which would be a fair enough criticism, but I don't suppose you have any actual examples of that, do you?
Yes it is. You may want to look up the concept of "indirect election".A choice of one candidate, who has NO public approval, is NOT a democratic election.
See, that was easy.
Since it's clear that we're not going to agree on this point, I'll not discuss this any further.
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Well so much for the insults... But the fact is you have totaly failed to explain why half of Europe has needed bailing out. All you can say is that not the euros fault and mutter about property bubbles but that does not explain the Greek or Portuguese problems. Perhaps you would care to edicate me? But no... not talking about it anymore.
Actualy I do... What Mr Bloom was referring to were the accusations of 'mob rule' and 'being like the Nazis' after the demonstration about the Irish Lisbon vote.
You must miss that haven of democracy that was the USSR where such rules were the norm.
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I don't know a single country in Western Europe that elects its premier directly. Everywhere a Parliament is elected which in turn chooses a premier. He DOES NOT have to be a member of that Parliament to be elected. How you can compare this to the USSR and other dictatures goes beyond me.
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The only thing that came close was Schultz saying that fear and social decline have always led to fascism. That's not the same as accusing the "no voters" of being fascists. The phrase "mob rule" is not included in that video.
I've already wasted 25 minutes of my life by watching eurosceptic clip-shows that prove nothing. I'm going to ignore you for the time being.
EDIT: just to add,
This quotation is a fake."Europe's nations should be guided towards the super-state without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation." Jean Monnet 1952
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Do you get a choice between cadidates? Did Italy? By the way in Britain the PM has to be a member of Parliament (Lords or Commons in theory but the last PM who sat in the Lords was in the 1960s).
How convenient.
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Serbia is a continent. We don't want to join EU. Later, when you get all European nations in there, we're just gonna conquer ya. Could do it now, but we'd have to declare war on each nation separately and that's just too much paperwork.
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On the poster from the previous page:
http://www.europe4all.org
It's a private organisation, so the entire controversy is a tad irrelevant. Good to see Hannan jumping at every slight opportunity to bash the EU though, it's one of my ways of checking wether the world still exists as I know it.
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I suspected as much. It wasn't smelling right at all, which is why I thought it must have been a mistake some where in an art department. Not being related does make sense.
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Perhaps one of you 'educated' types could show me where on that link the poster occurs? I can't seem to find it.
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Any place that is essentially following the Westminster system can only elect a Prime Minister from it's currently elected members of parliament.
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Westminster, yes, but not all "parliamentary" systems.
In the Neth's, and Belgium too I believe, it's actually illegal for a minister to also hold a seat in parliament. If they're elected in a chamber they'll have to give up their seat.
In the UK and Italy on the other hand having a seat in parliament is mandatory so Monti was given a senate seat for just that purpose.
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An unelected one.
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I couldn't give a toss what they do elsewhere this is Ireland an were keeping our system.
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Did I say you had to?
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It's not a proper Parliamentary System then - the whole point is to remove the separation between executive and legislature. This is deliberate and is done for two reasons.
1. To reduce the power of personality politics - most obvious in 2010 when the "Clegg effect" utterly failed to generate actual gains for the Lib-Dems.
2. To hamstring the executive as much as possible and make it vulnerable to the wrath of the MP's elected by the people.
Separation of Powers - just say no.
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Wait separation of powers is a bad thing suddenly?
Other one, the premier of Flanders was not an elected parliamentarian when he first got his position. He replaced the elected one in the middle of the term when he left one of the biggest employers' organisations.
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A lot of countries stole your idea and added variations to it, so you Brits no longer get to decide what a "proper" parliamentary system is
The defining feature is that the executive depends on the willingness of parliament to support it, and that conversely it can be sacked by a vote of no confidence.
That ministers can't have seats in parliament over here is, as you indicated, meant to seperate powers. It's thought that parliament would be a more credible check on the executive if the executive doesn't get a vote.
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Who determines how a proper Ipad is supposed to be, Apple or the man who cracked it for third party apps?A lot of countries stole your idea and added variations to it, so you Brits no longer get to decide what a "proper" parliamentary system is
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Are some people actually arguing that British parliamentary system is the only valid/legitimate/democratic system there is?
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