Re: The Morality of Petty Theft
I would just let it go. But if anything happens again just let her know that you know. If I was very well off I would feel very bad risking that person losing their job.
Yes theft is bad but **** happens and people need to get over it, how can you feel bad for long when you walk back into your luxury house. It's just not worth it.
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Re: The Morality of Petty Theft
I find that a better system would be to give part of my earnings for a safety net as opposed to having things taken which then might be resold. I think that is called... taxes and they take over 30% of my salary.
I'm sorry this is not somehow "proactive charity" where those who want to receive just help themselves.
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Re: The Morality of Petty Theft
So, if TinCow would be a guy with a crappy job in a fastfood restaurant, it would be ok to report it and see the cleaning lady be fired before Christmas?Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
Everybody has the right to get fired if he's stealing on his workplace. Not reporting the cleaning lady is clearly a case of discrimination. Would you think twice if it was your co-worker - wellpaid lawyer who did it? It's also a case of condescendingly looking down on the lower classes. "Pfuh, it's just the lower than low cleaning lady. I'm not going to report such a person. That's far below my own status. It's only 30 $; she has to work half a day for that kind of money, me only 5 minutes."
All kidding aside, I'm more and more with rory on this one. I think this is a case of a completely misplaced feeling of guilt.
This should be a no-brainer: thief -> report.
How would you feel if the day before Christmas the cleaning lady would steal something else from one of your colleagues, let's say a watch they got from their fiancée for Valentine's day? Or their wedding wring they put off for a sec for whatever reason.
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Re: The Morality of Petty Theft
What if it was a half-empty soda bottle?
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: The Morality of Petty Theft
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Re: The Morality of Petty Theft
No, it's a serious question... And a relevant one too, soda bottles and similar stuff have a tendency to "get lost" on quite a few workplaces....
But I take your rolling eyes to mean that you wouldn't report a stolen soda bottle? If so, you've drawn a line between what can be tolerated and what can't, and then it isn't that absurd to draw the line a few bucks up the line, is it?
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: The Morality of Petty Theft
The bottle is half full, not half empty, you negativist.
If a soda bottle would have disappeared, I wouldn't think it was stolen. Maybe somebody was thirsty. Then again, we have free drinks here at work, which probably explains why I don't see that as stealing
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Re: The Morality of Petty Theft
Hah, that actually made me laugh out loud
Maybe somebody was thirsty? But isn't taking your soda because they're thirsty theft?If a soda bottle would have disappeared, I wouldn't think it was stolen. Maybe somebody was thirsty. Then again, we have free drinks here at work, which probably explains why I don't see that as stealing
Is there a difference between taking another persons soda because you're thirsty any different to, say, stealing some cheap stuff to give to your kid for christmas because you can't afford a present?
Oh, and stop teasing the rest of us with your workers paradise full of free soft drinks!! The rest of us only get coffee, and you know it.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: The Morality of Petty Theft
OMG personal attack!!!
Of course the woman has no right to complain if she gets fired, where did I say otherwise?
I said it would be a nice thing to do if TinCow didn't have her fired. The fact he isn't obliged to do it is what makes it a nice thing to do.
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Re: The Morality of Petty Theft
Theft, or even the suspicion of theft, for a cleaner in America in all likelyhood means the end of her job, of this job. On which her family might be dependent.
So I think you have to be pretty darned sure before you accuse her of stealing. 95% sure is not good enough. 99% isn't either.
Indeed, socio-economical disparities really do have everything to do with it, as do power structures. That would take me a lenghty essay to explain. So instead, as a tangentially related but useful comparison, compare the fear a man in some position of authority, however slight - police officer, teacher, priest - feels for the accusiation of sexual harrasment.
In a liberal environment, say a university, a man's career is pretty much over the minute a single female student accuses him of harassment. The suspicion will always remain, the social damage is done, the career is over.
One has to be sure about the allegation, one has got to be certain of the case before reporting harassment. 95%, or even 99%, is not good enough.
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Property is an extension of the person. To harm or take another's property is to harm them.
Rory's coming up aces on this one.
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Bah, nonsense.
Person > other persons > property
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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And that, dear Horetore, pretty well sums up the bulk of our philosophical differences with one another. Tis, in it's own way, a "great divide."
"The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken
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