Those Inbred Finns Keep Getting Stupider

[HoreTore]

Still Horetore.You make me laugh.What do you know about Finnish schooling methods?

I'm a teacher; you Finns have been in focus for the last five years now, I would've had to live under a rock to avoid becoming familiar with the ups and downs of the finnish education system.

As long as all our Western neighbours are far behind us, there is nothing to worry about.

As I've already explained; you have absolutely no data to back up such a claim.

[Kagemusha]

I'm a teacher; you Finns have been in focus for the last five years now, I would've had to live under a rock to avoid becoming familiar with the ups and downs of the finnish education system.



As I've already explained; you have absolutely no data to back up such a claim.

Well then show me some hard data,.I know its been more then 10 years i have been in any kind of school and back then already we had use of IT, made projects etc. Please show your data before start asking something from me.

You being teacher hardly makes you more credible source.If i know anything about teachers.

[HoreTore]

Well then show me some hard data

There is none, largely because most of the stuff the school is supposed to teach you isn't possible to measure.

[Kagemusha]

There is none, largely because most of the stuff the school is supposed to teach you isn't possible to measure.

So this is just because you say so and you are more of a expert then someone who has attended to Finnish schooling? End of discussion if i may?

[HoreTore]

So this is just because you say so and you are more of a expert then someone who has attended to Finnish schooling? End of discussion if i may?

The proper way to judge the efficiency of our education system, in my mind, is to simply look at the businesses in our countries. Who are they hiring? The products of our education system, or the products of another system? If its the former I'd say it's all good holmes, if it's rthe latter we're in trouble.

And different economies require different focuses in education; what is needed in Norway or Finland probably isn't what's needed in China or the US. A concrete example of this is reading skills: countries with just one language in their education should score higher than Norwegians or Finns, as we start english-training at age 6 and thus devotes less time on our native language. And a school with just three classes; reading, maths and science would top a survey like this, but can one thus conclude that this sytem is better? Do we only need those three skills in our adult lives? No, of course not.

And kagemusha, attending a Norwegian school did not in any way teach me how the system worked, switching tables turned my world upside down. Just like it probably will should you ever try teaching yourself.

EDIT: Also, I'd like to make it clear that my criticism is of the PISA-system itself and(more importantly) the conclusions drawn from its results, not the finnish education system.