Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
Define failure and we can go from there

Students are supposed to end their term having at least a firm grasp of what they were taught. As it is, many cannot even write or read. That is failure. More specific than that would require researching at setting exact standards. I think we can both agree though, that generally, teachers have failed to educate their students as they are expected.


Of course no onus is ever put on the child or the parent themselves. Teachers are put in a practically hopless position of being babysitter,caregiver, and knoweledge provider.

Not true at all, I believe that the second most important thing to do is to punish parents who fail to make their children do thier homework or to home educate them by placing a financial burden on them. It is then in the parent's best interests to take their children's education into their own hands as much as possible and to cooperate with the teachers.

Do you mind actually linking those stats? I still am coming up with the 49 number

As I said, they came from the BLS.gov. Here are exact links to the two figures:
http://bls.gov/oes/current/oes_nat.htm#53-0000

http://bls.gov/oes/current/oes_nat.htm#25-0000



Vuk I do not disagree that the education system is in need of reform and that the teachers union will be a big part of that. But do not frame teachers as lazy and sucking of some tit when they are not. Also do not use another government employee who gets paid basically the same as a juxtaposition. Teaching is work many people do not understand

I was not juxtaposing mail carriers to teachers, I stated that my father being a mail carrier is how he observed what he did about teachers. You then made the comparison and I defended mail carriers.

I do not frame all teachers in that way, I simply say that there are too many of them like that. One of my sisters IS a part time teacher, so I obviously do not think that all teachers are evil or lazy.
You are right that teaching is a hard job, and it is one that should be well paid when done correctly. The two biggest problems right now with the education system are teacher's unions and parent's lack of responsibility. (the last one I hear about from my sister all the time.)

Scott Walker is taking the first step in the reform of the economy and of the education system as well, and I admire him for that.