Re: What is your idea of an ideal society?
As Ronin said, I'd start by making loads of things that are currently crimes not offences any more, mainly drugs and prostitution which would instead be covered where required by other laws based on breaching the peace etc.
There were crimes in Nazi Germany, the USSR, Cuba and everywhere else. So surveillance and reduction in rights in itself does not create a crime free society. I imagine the only true way is to make nothing a crime...
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Re: What is your idea of an ideal society?
Percents like those are for law enforcement agencies with a warped set of priorities. Ronin's approach is much better.
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Re: What is your idea of an ideal society?
.....which is why the question wasn't "how do you get rid of crime". Abolishing all crime would mean nobody is a criminal(0%), if that is what you want then that's your answer.... If it's not, and you do not believe that you can catch all criminals, then you belong somewhere between 1% and 99%.Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
As Ronin said, I'd start by making loads of things that are currently crimes not offences any more, mainly drugs and prostitution which would instead be covered where required by other laws based on breaching the peace etc.
There were crimes in Nazi Germany, the USSR, Cuba and everywhere else. So surveillance and reduction in rights in itself does not create a crime free society. I imagine the only true way is to make nothing a crime...
My question is where.
Figure out what laws and such you want in your ideal society, think about what that society will look like and try guessing what % of crimes in that society will be solved...
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Re: What is your idea of an ideal society?
You can't decide what percentage of "criminals get caught" unless you say only the guilty get caught, and everyone caught is guilty, then you get 100%......which is why the question wasn't "how do you get rid of crime". Abolishing all crime would mean nobody is a criminal(0%), if that is what you want then that's your answer.... If it's not, and you do not believe that you can catch all criminals, then you belong somewhere between 1% and 99%.
My question is where.
Figure out what laws and such you want in your ideal society, think about what that society will look like and try guessing what % of crimes in that society will be solved...
You decide what is harmful to society and by how much, then you pass a law restricting/banning that behaviour and setting a punishment.
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Re: What is your idea of an ideal society?
No, none of these things are objections to thinking up a number, as you will just have to factor them in....
But it sounds like you guys need an example:
"40%" is a number usually thrown around when it comes to crime statistics in the US. So as an example, let's start with that society and turn it into our ideal one. Let's say you don't like the patriot act, and you say that removing that law takes down 10%(remember,, this is just an example to show how I'm thinking). You also say that weed should be legalized. In your opinion, this will reduce the number of criminals, which will in turn increase the percentage of caught criminals(since weed-related stuff won't be a crime anymore). You say that takes it up 25%(allright, percent-points to be exact but who cares), giving you 55% now. Then you envisage increasing the funding of the police quite a bit, which you believe will be about half as effective as legalizing weed, so adding another 12,5% giving you a grand total of 67,5%.
And so you vote "60-69%" and give me the results I'm looking for
If my intention still isn't clear I'll happily explain further....
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Re: What is your idea of an ideal society?
I'm not sure what the results will show, since the methods and results (such as those in your example) are so diverse. It seems the changes to laws and enforcement techniques would be much more relevant and meaningful than some final number you arrive at, especially since the changes in percent caught are all wild guesses anyway.
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Re: What is your idea of an ideal society?
Interesting how people have talked about what laws to remove, but no one mentioned adding laws.
One wonders if this has significance.
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Re: What is your idea of an ideal society?
In my ideal society, no one would commit crime in the first place, so the question is pointless.
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