Why be nice when you can can get the same by being cruel

[Fragony]

Strictly in theory. Works better, being liked doesn't pay the bills. Even in moderation we aren't that nice, school and work can be hell. So what is it that sets us apart. Being nice (and if you aren't)

[Strike For The South]

Strictly theologically. Works better, being liked doesn't pay the bills. Even in moderation we aren't that nice, school and work can be hell. So what is it that sets us apart. Being nice (and if you aren't)

Someday you will not be in such a powerful and comfortable position and then you will wish you had stepped on a few less necks.

If one does not wish to follow the golden rule one can at least take solace in the fact that being kind is sort of like an insurance policy for oneself if said person to fall on hard times.

[HoreTore]

I disagree with the opening statement on every conceivable level.

EDIT: but I'll leave you a question:

Why be cruel, when you can get the same by being nice?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

http://www.ditext.com/prichard/mistake.html

[gaelic cowboy]

Strictly theologically. Works better, being liked doesn't pay the bills. Even in moderation we aren't that nice, school and work can be hell. So what is it that sets us apart. Being nice (and if you aren't)

If you lived in a poorer region of the world like say Borneo or some place in Africa you might not have such opinions.

We have a concept in Ireland called Meitheal

Meitheal (Irish pronunciation: [ˈmɛhəl]) is the Irish word for a work team, gang, or party and denotes the co-operative labour system in rural Ireland where groups of neighbours help each other in turn with farming work, such as harvesting crops.[1] Neighbours who give their work to others are helped in turn with their own heavy seasonal tasks so the heart of the concept is community unity through cooperative work and mutually reciprocal support. Meitheal is the Irish expression of the ancient and universal appliance of cooperation to social need.
The term is used in various writings of Irish language authors. It can convey the idea of community spirit in which neighbours respond to each other's needs. In modern use, for example, a meitheal could be a party of neighbours and friends invited to help decorate a house in exchange for food and drink, or in scouting, where volunteer campsite wardens maintain campsites around Ireland.

Despite the poverty and there obvious hard life those people in Africa etc help other people all the time.

[rory_20_uk]

To get to the top you need to kiss a lot of bottom.
Beware the arse you need to kiss tomorrow might be connected to the toes you tread on today.

Very, very few people operate in isolation. When things go well you might get away with such behaviour, but it means the difference between when a mistake is made getting a warning and getting sacked; chatting to someone in the office and being done for sexual discrimination.

So many times at work I have been helped by colleagues because they wanted to, not because they had to. If I'd been a bastard they could have let me hang.

[Fragony]

I said in my OP that it was strictly theoratical, aka not my views

[al Roumi]

I said in my OP that it was strictly theoratical, aka not my views

For what it's worth, your OP currently states "theologically".

[gaelic cowboy]

I said in my OP that it was strictly theoratical, aka not my views

My apologies

[Fragony]

My apologies

that's ok np. But isn't cruelty a stronger force than kindness, it's easier to get forgiveness than permission

edit my bad, it suggests words took the wrong one

[Ser Clegane]

Strictly in theory. Works better, being liked doesn't pay the bills. Even in moderation we aren't that nice, school and work can be hell. So what is it that sets us apart. Being nice (and if you aren't)

In the end (at least IMHO, but that is of course a matter of perspective) being nice is simply "more fun". being nice/cruel usually goes hand in hand with a mindset of generally expecting the same from others - I do not think you will see an awful lot of people taking the "cruel" road that are content and happy with their lives.

[Tellos Athenaios]

In the most simple theoretical cost/benefit terms, cruelty works only if you are undisputed and it is a cause for others to challenge you. There's a long term hidden cost.
Kindness just works and is a cause for others to support you. There's a long term interest.

Or: if you are a member of a social species you rely on other members not to hurt you more than they help you. If they breach that unspoken agreement it is time for being vicious.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

In the most simple theoretical cost/benefit terms, cruelty works only if you are undisputed and it is a cause for others to challenge you. There's a long term hidden cost.
Kindness just works and is a cause for others to support you. There's a long term interest.

What if someone is undisputed? And there may be a long term cost, but why not be cruel in an isolated instance that no one will remember (say, on vacation)? I think that's a problem with the "it goes around", karma, conscience explanations of why it's wrong. Can you show that there aren't a lot of people who do cruel things and don't regret it?

[Tellos Athenaios]

I think the dilemma involves getting something you (will) want (if not now then in some future), from someone else/others and taking this into account in general decision making. This is not about being sadist or saint, it is also not about opportunistic behaviour but more general decision making. So to say “no one will remember” is odd: who are you being cruel -or kind- to if not the victim/beneficiary of your choice, why should this pattern go unnoticed over the long term?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think the dilemma involves getting something you (will) want (if not now then in some future), from someone else/others and taking this into account in general decision making. This is not about being sadist or saint, it is also not about opportunistic behaviour but more general decision making. So to say “no one will remember” is odd: who are you being cruel -or kind- to if not the victim/beneficiary of your choice, why should this pattern go unnoticed over the long term?

Who said it's a pattern?

Let's say I go on vacation alone, don't tip at the restaurant, act rude to the cab driver, find a wallet take the money and ditch it instead of trying to return it, etc etc then go back to my home 2000 miles away. Nothing is going to "come around" to bite me--none of my social acquaintances (who I'm always nice to) know. So that reason fails. And I find the assertion that everyone will feel the pangs of conscience to a significant degree doubtful. People are good at rationalizations.

How about someone in a racist town who is polite to the white people and cruel to the black people? Is that going to come back to bite him socially? Is he going to feel guilty about it given his upbringing? Doing the right thing would come back to bite him socially.

Basically, if your reason for being nice is some form of "what goes around comes around" what do you say to my racist? Rejecting the beliefs of the group you belong to will "come around" as well. Telling them they are immoral will "come around". So that reason just leads to "be nice to some groups, be cruel to others, based on what's socially accepted".