Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
The president of Germany? Of Austria? Of Ireland? Of Switzerland?
The alternative for a hereditary monarchy for the UK is not a US / French style presidency. The more fitting solution is to remain a parliamentary democracy, with a ceremonial presidency. President David Attenborough is more likely than a president Blair, which is much more at odds with British political traditions.
In Switzerland they don't even know who their president is. Maybe that woman who claims she is, maybe one out of a rotating council of seven, maybe all of them simultaneously. The total costs are about 12,35 swiss Franks a year, for changing the name on the official national seal every year.
I think, Monsieur, their fear is that any president of Great Britain wouldn't remain in the German/Irish/Austrian mold for long. That some power hungry, smooth talking, Cromwell wannabe C-U-Next-Tuesday will come along and promulgate and act similar to the Republic of South Africa Constitution Act, 1983. Where the powers of the offices of President and Prime Minister are combined into 1 office (for our purpose Lord Protector of the Commonwealth). And this new Lord Protector will be chosen in the same fashion as a Prime Minister, also weakening parliamentary authority over the government's actions.
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Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
All-in-all, I am beginning to suspect that Charles is not an auspicious name for British monarchs.
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RIP Tosa
I'm sure Charles had a complete melt down when he went back to the palace. Whether its the Royal leaches or the "student" leaches, Britain is in big trouble and I hope all my American friends are taking note because its going to happen here soon enough. Getting your society addicted to entitlements sets a very dangerous condition whether it be from the citizens or the elites....
RIP Tosa
Your "Royals" have powers that those in the UK can only dream of.
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what to replace them with a pointless German style figurehead........................?
show me how it will be a definitive improvement if you wish to persuade me to replace a system that works VERY well already.
having faith that; change for the purpose of being 'progressive' is by definition a good thing, is not a belief system that i adhere to.
Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
Rubbish there getting millions of pounds when they have thousands and thousands of acres of land and properties they could use to make there own money.
figures in millions 2010 2009
The Queen's Civil List (figures are for calendar years 2009 and 2008) 14.2 13.9
Parliamentary Annuities 0.4 0.4
Grants-in-aid 19.7 22.6
Expenditure met directly by Government Departments and the Crown Estate 3.9 4.6
looks to me like there getting pots of cash for not a lot if you ask me apparently 38.2 million
official figures from the Monarchy website
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They slew him with poison afaid to meet him with the steel
a gallant son of eireann was Owen Roe o'Neill.
Internet is a bad place for info Gaelic Cowboy
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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"Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."
They slew him with poison afaid to meet him with the steel
a gallant son of eireann was Owen Roe o'Neill.
Internet is a bad place for info Gaelic Cowboy
Indeed.
If it is as the monarchists say, that the current regent is in fact the best qualified, then things will remain the same, as they'd win the election. The only way Elizabeth(or Victoria or whatever you call your queen these days) would be booted as head of state should there be an election, is if the public finds another candidate better suited to the job.
This way you can have your cake and eat it too: you'll both get your Queen as head of state and it will be because the public deems her the best qualified person for the job!
But as most monarchists reject this notion, it must be because they know that the current inbreds in power are rubbish.
Because they are welfare leeches too lazy to get a job, thus relying on other peoples labour to feed them.
Last edited by HoreTore; 12-11-2010 at 23:20.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
That is another point as well, on-top.
Exactly, the current monarch isn't that bad. This is why I advocate reforming the system so when she dies naturally or retires, the new system then comes into effect. No point having a whole upheaval, as there is no pressing concerns to bring it in ASAP.
If Charles is really the best, he could run for the position as the first President of Great Britain. I have no issues with them lifting the ban on royals running for government (since they would no longer be royals).
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that is peanuts, comparatively, so i am lead to believe.
then of course their is the disputed argument over the crown estates, and the £210m in revenue it brought in for the exchequer, which if you believe republic.org is really nothing more than the states money anyway, but others take the view that the revenue from the crown estates was surrendered to in return for the civil list.
http://www.moneyobserver.com/issue/f...state-unveiled
http://www.republic.org.uk/blog/?p=221
http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/tce_faqs.htm
frankly, i don't have a problem with it.
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Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Days since the Apocalypse began
"We are living in space-age times but there's too many of us thinking with stone-age minds" | How to spot a Humanist
"Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."
compared to the cost of other heads of state?
define how, and provide a methodology that demonstrates how nations with presidents get better value for money and/or greater effect than britain's constitutional monarchy.............
as said earlier; having faith that change for the purpose of being 'progressive' is by definition a good thing, is not a belief system that i adhere to.
demonstrate unambiguously that the alternative would be better.
you advocate that, fair enough, show me a referendum where the majority vote in favour of the change and i will happily consent............
fine, if that's how we want to run things....................... *waits patiently to the sound of chirping crickets*
Last edited by Furunculus; 12-11-2010 at 23:45.
Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
They slew him with poison afaid to meet him with the steel
a gallant son of eireann was Owen Roe o'Neill.
Internet is a bad place for info Gaelic Cowboy
Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
please do; provide a cost benefit analysis between the costs and revenues of the two systems.......?
not true at all, i am quite happy for change to happen if its demonstrated that it will be a better system..........?
again, not true, the queen is fantastically qualified to be a head of state.
Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
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