This is why America is stuck treading water

[Vuk]

Yup, America's problems have nothing at all to do with policy. They are all caused by those evil white women and men who go around correcting a President who gets his facts wrong.

[Strike For The South]

Yup, America's problems have nothing at all to do with policy. They are all caused by those evil white women and men who go around correcting a President who gets his facts wrong.

They are caused by people who go around creating superficial problems pandering to the LCD.

Judging by your post they are ensuring relection for the next decade or two.

[HoreTore]

I'm assuming this letter was printed out, and so I say never before has the world seen so much ink wasted by so few for so little.

[Rhyfelwyr]

It is just a little detail Vuk, remember, nothing important. Just like it is not important is his birth cirtificate happens to say Kenya and not USA, or that he happens to swear on the Koran and not the Bible.

These details don't matter, there are bigger problems right now...

[Strike For The South]

It is just a little detail Vuk, remember, nothing important. Just like it is not important is his birth cirtificate happens to say Kenya and not USA, or that he happens to swear on the Koran and not the Bible.

These details don't matter, there are bigger problems right now...

Show me the birth cirtificate. I don't care what fairy tale book he swears on. I don't care if he is getting blown by white women on every third sunday (as long as txpayer money isn't being used)

I care he does his job as president. Every great American preisident has had ghastly flaws which in todays day and age would prevent them from getting elected. The man is not elected to be my moral leader and hero, he is elected to my political leader.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Although strike, hasn't the chinese government spent the last couple weeks trying to get people to not attend the nobel ceremony?

[Strike For The South]

Although strike, hasn't the chinese government spent the last couple weeks trying to get people to not attend the nobel ceremony?

China has its own problems of course. I certainly aspire to be in no way like that backwater of human rights. I was just using them as one of the many whom happen to be breathing down our neck.

[Vuk]

China has its own problems of course. I certainly aspire to be in no way like that backwater of human rights. I was just using them as one of the many whom happen to be breathing down our neck.

watching China return to its rightful place at the top

[B]*Whistles*[/B

Show me the birth cirtificate. I don't care what fairy tale book he swears on. I don't care if he is getting blown by white women on every third sunday (as long as txpayer money isn't being used)

I care he does his job as president. Every great American preisident has had ghastly flaws which in todays day and age would prevent them from getting elected. The man is not elected to be my moral leader and hero, he is elected to my political leader.

And you don't think that a man's morals are a great indication of how well he will make good on his promises? I am sorry, but the principles of a country are important to me, and I care how well a president upholds them and defends them. I think it has a lot to say about his moral character.

[HoreTore]

And you don't think that a man's morals are a great indication of how well he will make good on his promises?

No. History has proven that it is not so.

As Strike has already stated, the greatest American presidents have all had major character flaws, yet that has not prevented them from being of tremendous benefit to your country(and the world).

Winston Churchill was a womanizing drunkard. Yet he is among Britains most loved statesmen.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

And you don't think that a man's morals are a great indication of how well he will make good on his promises? I am sorry, but the principles of a country are important to me, and I care how well a president upholds them and defends them. I think it has a lot to say about his moral character.

He is upholding them, and you and the people who wrote that letter are treating them like garbage.

The founding fathers reasoned their way from the status quo to a new/untried on that scale system of government. They did the opposite of what these jokers are doing in citing legislation passed in the 50's that reflects the culture of the time more than reason.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I was just joking with the birth cerficiate thing...

The founding fathers reasoned their way from the status quo to a new/untried on that scale system of government. They did the opposite of what these jokers are doing in citing legislation passed in the 50's that reflects the culture of the time more than reason.

The views of the founding fathers were rooted in ancient custom and a pretty superstitious reverence for an almost mythological ancient Anglo-Saxon constitution, which guaranteed them their rights as Englishmen.

If you look at the roots of their ideas on government, it seems to go back to this idea about how the first societies appointed government over themselves for their own good, and how the first political leaders were appointed by the people, rather than having a right to rule over them. Hence, monarchy, and the colonial situation Americans found themselves in were seen as perversions. A buzzword of the time was "innovations", with any sort of development in the form of goverance being condemned. They didn't see themselves as progressive, in their mind they were returning to the one true form of governance, and the golden age that came with it.

The constitution can only have any authority or value if you buy into the founding fathers ideas of natural law/reason, and the moral absolutism that comes with it, which dictates that one form of government is true and best.

[Strike For The South]

[B]*Whistles*[/B

"It's the economy stupid"

And you don't think that a man's morals are a great indication of how well he will make good on his promises? I am sorry, but the principles of a country are important to me, and I care how well a president upholds them and defends them. I think it has a lot to say about his moral character.

Moral principles have nothing to do with political principles. The mans morals mean jack all to me, everyone has skeletons in the closet, it gets to a point where we haggle over how morally outraged we are.

McCain Left his crippled wife
Gingrich screwed everything that was warm, while he was married
Reagan is a divorcee

[a completely inoffensive name]

Right wing politicians rarely exhibit the type of family values they claim to uphold. Gods, guns and gays are just issues republicans use to keep the base rallied and not really something they care about. Well, except for the new wave of tea party republicans.

[PanzerJaeger]

Did he really get the national motto wrong? I mean, that's like a five second google search...

I get Strike's point, but tradition is important, even if it is a stupid tradition adopted out of fear of communist atheism. It took some low level congressional staffer about 30 minutes to write the letter, and probably about three hours to have it circulated around congress for signatures. That doesn't seem too excessive or wasteful too me if it teaches the good professor a little bit about the country he is supposed to be representing, especially considering 90% of the citizens of said county support the motto (and could probably quote it).