Secularists having a paddy over the KJV Bible Readings

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Here you go Rhy, get upset about this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...n-Radio-4.html

So, what do we think, is 16 hours out of one day after 400 years too much for one of the most important and influencial books ever written into English?

Or are the secularists just getting upset because someone is taking religion seriously (even in a mainly cultural context) once in a blue moon?

[HoreTore]

How would the church react to the BBC braodcasting a 16-hour special entitled Getting gay with other men: how AYONE can explore their homosexual sexfantasies outside the shackles of married life....?

Or hey, let the BBC mark(!) Marx' anniversary with a 16-hour reading of Das Kapital. Or celebrate the first Labour government with a 16-hour reading of Labour's party programme. Yeah, sounds like something christians and conservatives won't be upset about. It's just those hateful secularists and their evil ways!!

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

How would the church react to the BBC braodcasting a 16-hour special entitled Getting gay with other men: how AYONE can explore their homosexual sexfantasies outside the shackles of married life....?

Or hey, let the BBC mark(!) Marx' anniversary with a 16-hour reading of Das Kapital. Or celebrate the first Labour government with a 16-hour reading of Labour's party programme. Yeah, sounds like something christians and conservatives won't be upset about. It's just those hateful secularists and their evil ways!!

Is it a famous and world-changing book?

[HoreTore]

Is it a famous and world-changing book?

The sexual revolution has changed the world, yes.

Communism changed the world, yes.

Social democracy has changed the world, yes.

[rory_20_uk]

Thankfully there are enough channels to ignore this. I quite enjoy Theology, but not merely reciting an almac.

[Beskar]

I don't care, as I won't be watching it.

Was I meant to get upset and cry? Where is my paddy?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The sexual revolution has changed the world, yes.

Really? So what was Anselm complaining about to William II when he said he wanted the King to reform the practices of his court?

Communism changed the world, yes.

In a good way?

Social democracy has changed the world, yes.

Really? I still have a Queen, you still have a King, Frag still have a Queen..... the Americans elect their Kings, but only from among their political elite....

None of this address the point.

Like it or not (I assume "not" in your case) the "King James" Version of the Bible is in and of itself an incredibly influencial book, far apart from being a Bible translation, which has changed the English language anywhere it is spoken.

[HoreTore]

Really? So what was Anselm complaining about to William II when he said he wanted the King to reform the practices of his court?

Do I even care....?

In a good way?

No, but neither have christianity.

Really? I still have a Queen, you still have a King, Frag still have a Queen..... the Americans elect their Kings, but only from among their political elite....

Removing the monarchy hasn't been a cause for the social democrats. But the poorest of the poor now has access to health care, housing, clothes, doesn't die from starvation, etc etc. This is in a big part thanks to the policies of the social democratic governments of Europe. That is a change in the world.

None of this address the point.

Like it or not (I assume "not" in your case) the "King James" Version of the Bible is in and of itself an incredibly influencial book, far apart from being a Bible translation, which has changed the English language anywhere it is spoken.

Like it or not, so is the homosexual liberation, the rise of communism and the social democracy.

Are you telling me the church would be fine with a 16-hour special with marxist, gay or labour propaganda...?

Oh wait, we have recent presedent here: NRK, our version of the BBC, has shown a series called "Threesome" this fall, where three youngsters explore the sexual world. The result was something like 15000 angry letters from christians before they even knew what the show was about. All they knew was the name, how the presenters looked and that it was about sex. That was enough for thousands of "tolerant" christians all over the country to furiously harass NRK and demand the show cancelled. A show they had never seen and knew next to nothing about. And it's 8x30 minutes here, not 16 hours.

Yay, the tolerance of christians knows no limit!

[Louis VI the Fat]

The Bible is a book of enormous cultural and historical significance for Britain. The KJV was very influential in the development of British religous traditions and even the English language.

It does not seem excessive to devote a day to its fourth centennial. All (educated) Britons ought to have some basic understanding of the central elements of the book.


The National Secular Society does excellent work in protecting the British from privileges granted to organised mass religion, and in lifting the UK above superstitions, witch hunts, and Middle Eastern death cults. But it should pick its battles better. (If it is at all interested in starting any serious fight over this, which I'm not so sure about)

[Rhyfelwyr]

I think the more reasonable secularists will be OK with this and appreciate the significance of the KJV. Some of the New Athiests will inevitably get upset, but they do that a lot. They are mostly middle-aged men with over-controlling wives, they need an outless for their rebelliousness.

Or hey, let the BBC mark(!) Marx' anniversary with a 16-hour reading of Das Kapital. Or celebrate the first Labour government with a 16-hour reading of Labour's party programme. Yeah, sounds like something christians and conservatives won't be upset about. It's just those hateful secularists and their evil ways!!

I woudn't mind if the BBC did specials like this on either of those things. So long as you don't mean the modern day Labour's party programme, if I hear that all day as I speed down the motorway I might feel the urge to wrap myself around a tree. If you want to go back to the Independent Labour Party, that would be OK.

[HoreTore]

I woudn't mind if the BBC did specials like this on either of those things. So long as you don't mean the modern day Labour's party programme, if I hear that all day as I speed down the motorway I might feel the urge to wrap myself around a tree. If you want to go back to the Independent Labour Party, that would be OK.

.....And I don't give a crap about what special the state sends. Nor do I care, for example, that my state broadcaster sends church services on TV. But then again, we're reasonable people, Rhy.


But you can't say with a straight face that there won't be a lot of christians who'd riot over 16 hours of gay/communist/labour propaganda.

[Idaho]

A day all about the book would be very interesting. It's history, it's influences, the politics behind it's creation and interpretation. It's lasting legacy. Focussing on chapters, how it's been used, etc, etc - all that would be great.

But 16 hours of sola scriptura? Credit us with a bit more intelligence.

[Rhyfelwyr]

But you can't say with a straight face that there won't be a lot of christians who'd riot over 16 hours of gay/communist/labour propaganda.

Yeah I put my hands up there. When it comes to getting upset over petty things, old women are to Christianity what men having a mid-life crisis are to secular humanism.

[Furunculus]

How would the church react to the BBC braodcasting a 16-hour special entitled Getting gay with other men: how AYONE can explore their homosexual sexfantasies outside the shackles of married life....?

Or hey, let the BBC mark(!) Marx' anniversary with a 16-hour reading of Das Kapital. Or celebrate the first Labour government with a 16-hour reading of Labour's party programme. Yeah, sounds like something christians and conservatives won't be upset about. It's just those hateful secularists and their evil ways!!

if it's the church of england then they probably sponsored it as part of their touchy-feely outreach and empathise agenda. they're pretty limp-wristed these days, no burning brands and hellfire damnnation left.