Nobel Peace Prize 1935/6 - Carl von Ossietzky

**Louis VI the Fat** · 12-15-2010, 00:01

Originally Posted by Husar

traitor

We disagree.

To me, the German (Ossietzky) who warned in 1933 what was coming is not a traitor. Those who silenced him are.
The German who exposed Auschwitz is not a traitor. The German who refused to murder civilians is not a traitor. The German who would not fight for Hitler is not a traitor.

One is not a traitor to Germany for refusing to raise one's right arm, start goosestepping, and go off to kill some Jews. However un-German it may sound, even a German must sometimes disobey orders.

**Hax** · 12-15-2010, 01:06

He was a traitor to the Nazi-controlled late Weimar Republic. He was a hero and a patriot to the later BRD and modern state of Germany. Maybe that's the best way to see it, then?

**Husar** · 12-15-2010, 01:10

Originally Posted by Hax

He was a traitor to the Nazi-controlled late Weimar Republic. He was a hero and a patriot to the later BRD and modern state of Germany. Maybe that's the best way to see it, then?

Pretty much.

**Hax** · 12-15-2010, 01:10

See, I knew we'd all agree.

**Beskar** · 12-15-2010, 01:14

Even then, the definition doesn't matter since he made a big contribution in efforts of World Peace by whistle blowing what is going on, which was ignored in many cases, hence the fallout scenario later, so being a "traitor" =

Which was the original point in the first place.