And Kosovo's Main Export is...

[Louis VI the Fat]

Pft, we all know New Jersey is a Channel Island.


The bolloxness of Kosovo does not excuse Serbia. Serbia is still the main instigator of the several wars, and Serbian (para)militaries were the worst bunch of murdering, raping scum to have disgraced Europe since WWII.

[Sarmatian]

Pft, we all know New Jersey is a Channel Island.


The bolloxness of Kosovo does not excuse Serbia. Serbia is still the main instigator of the several wars, and Serbian (para)militaries were the worst bunch of murdering, raping scum to have disgraced Europe since WWII.

Again, it's not the topic of the thread so I won't comment but even if it's true does that mean that for one band of murdering, raping scum the rewards are sanctions, bombs, destruction, poverty, threats, suspension of human rights, partitioning and for other band the rewards are sovereign state where they can commit atrocities freely, high political positions, dinners with highest officials worldwide, money, prestige and the likes?

And New Jersey is south of Leicester, of course.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Again, it's not the topic of the thread so I won't comment but even if it's true does that mean that for one band of murdering, raping scum the rewards are sanctions, bombs, destruction, poverty, threats, suspension of human rights, partitioning and for other band the rewards are sovereign state where they can commit atrocities freely, high political positions, dinners with highest officials worldwide, money, prestige and the likes?

Quite logically, both Serbia and Kosovo were the two parts of the same partition and now exist as a sovereign state.

[Sarmatian]

Quite logically, both Serbia and Kosovo were the two parts of the same partition and now exist as a sovereign state.

can't argue with that logic.

[Brenus]

“The bolloxness of Kosovo does not excuse Serbia. Serbia is still the main instigator of the several wars, and Serbian (para)militaries were the worst bunch of murdering, raping scum to have disgraced Europe since WWII.”

And me who was thinking Louis started to see the light arising at the horizon…

Serbia was not the one that initiated the disintegration of Yugoslavia. Well fact known. Serbia was not the one smuggling weapons from Hungary, nor Serbia shot down a helicopter full of bread. Serbia didn’t initiate the Barracks War, and de facto the Serbian Youth massively deserted when call to the Army to be sent and to crush the Slovenian then Croatian secession.
If they wouldn’t, the aftermath would have been slightly different and Milosevic celebrated as the Yugoslav Lincoln…

We can discuss about Milosevic intention when wanting to preserve the Yugoslav concept, but you can’t blame the Serbian Nationalism on whom to blame for the start of these wars, knowing that the last Yugoslav President, the Croat Misic, openly declared that he will be the last of the Yugoslav President. And he kept his word.

About the worst, and again not denying what the Arkan Tigers or the White Eagle of Seselj did in Bijelina or Zvornik, but the Green Eagle of Islam, Mudjhadin and the I don’t Remember their names for the Croats (apologies to them) have no reason to be ashamed.
I spoke with both, sometime directly (Croats and Serbs), sometimes with one of their translator (Mudjahidin) who was my translator after the war.
We can speak of the Serbs put on the Bridge in Gorazde, or the Nursery in Vukovar (or the Hospital where the Serbs who entered in it did ended in the Danube), and then you will speak of Ovarca Farm and Srebrenica. Then I will speak of Oluje (and her little sister), Ilidja and Ozren Mountain, the end of the Fikhret Abdic’s supporters at the hands of the Muslim Brigade etc…
I have heard the survivors, from both sides. I saw the faces when a woman became a widow, when a mother identify a son by the clothes the body is wearing and when nobody dared to tell hem the mutilations were done on a alive person…
I heard my Croatian Translator telling me a joy when it was a neighbour/friend who got injured during a Serbian shelling, and not her…
I heard and saw the young man, brother of one of my driver, getting drunk every day to forget the face he had after being hit by a sniper he cursed every day for having missed him.

Unfortunately, the Serb paramilitaries (as far as I know the only time when the Serbian Army as a entity was deployed was when Bombed by NATO) were not the worst. They all were the same. The Serbs did more victims because they were the strongest at the start, but after, the newspapers and media just avoid to speak about civilian victims as the were Serbs so deserved what happened to them.
A journalist admitted it in Arret Sur Image. He didn’t care.
Lies were told. We had the story of 80.000 rapes, systematic, when the Barbaric Serbs were keeping their prisoners until it was too late to abort. Well, where are they, these 80.000 babies? I spoke with some of the journalist who spread the story…
Ok, one.
They just estimate from one village and extrapolate on the entire region…
Rapes, yes, oui, da.
I had heated debate with some colleagues who came with these allegations. They were working at the same time than me, on the other side of the front lines.
She was anti-Serbs and pro Bosnian and Croats, without one inch of hesitation or doubt.
I asked her? Where are the kids? The streets of Sarajevo and Tuzla should be full of them. You will find some. I did. But not in THAT proportion.

One man got convicted in the International Court of Justice Against the Serbs and Nobody Else Please. What he done is a crime against humanity but he never did more than what happened in some brothel in Western Europe where Pimps should be prosecuted with the same charges he was: Slavery.

The propaganda machine was at her high. The Serbs were shelling the Muslim Graveyards when they were burying their dead. Yes Sir, oui monsieur, da Gospodin. Well, the fact it was with crosses in back ground never really hit the Western Conscience. To be completely frank, it didn’t for me, as we associate graveyards with crosses. It was my translator who pointed out to me.
The barbaric Serbs were even fighting during Xmas… When I tried to make a note that aswell fight during the 14th of July as both dates had no importance for Serbian and Bosniak fighter in not being French and Orthodox Christian and Muslim the 25th of December and the 14th of July are normal days…
To see THE LOOK I was granted after this…

I can go one like for pages… Sarjevo, Merkale, Vukovar, etc… Only if it could change something…

A note: Nowadya 2 processes are running in the Former Yugoslavia territories.
Bosnia where nor reconciliation is actually possible as the “victims” refused any guilt and the “perpetuators” refusing stubbornly to acknowledge they are the only ones to blame. And we’ve got a blocked situation and the perpetuation of the early post war resentment.
And we have Croatia and Serbia, little by little, acknowledging their crimes and apologising, one day the Serbian President putting Flowers on the Croatian Tombs, the day after the Croatian President putting Flowers on the Serbian Graves.
And they built (or re-built) their trade links, abolishing visa, investing in each others factories as they realise they speak the same language, eat the same food, drink rakia or rakija… And to take a train it doesn’t matter if it is voz or vlak, they undertand each other.

If these war were not useless and for only the pride of Milosevic, Tudjman and Itzetbegovic, I don’t know what is a stupid war.

Apologies for the length…

[Fragony]

Thanks for the read, as close as I'll ever be

[rory_20_uk]

So, to conclude, in the last c. 2,000 years nothing good has come out of the Balkans.

Be honest - who is surprised?