Hunting, tips

**Fragony** · 12-19-2010, 16:26

The Netherlands has strict laws on everything doesn't mean I should naturally oblige every petty rule tofu-munching city-folks cook up. Screw the laws too many of them to keep track. Besides I got night-goggles police doesn't, they will never catch us way too dark.

**Vuk** · 12-19-2010, 16:46

lol Frags, seriously man, you better off obeying the law. There is a reason that you are not allowed to hunt with an air rifle...it is not humane. Animals are tough, and can take a pretty lot of holes in them if you do not know what you are doing.
They are right that it is easier to use a shotgun for rabbits, but me, I prefer a rifle. All you need is something small like a .223 (I use the mini 14). Practice on still targets until you are good enough to to snap a 2" at 50 yards, and you should have no problem hitting a rabbit. It is actually not that hard to come upon one while they are standing still if you walk quietly.
The mini14 is cheap to shoot, but if you want something cheaper, a common .22 would work fine also.
There is a reason for making you take gun training BTW Frags, without it you could end up having someone's death on your hands. In the US it used to be that everyone knew how to shoot, and fathers taught their sons (in my case, my dad was also an expert marksman in the Marines :P). It is not the case anymore, and no offense, but an inexperienced person is more likely to hurt themselves or their friend than actually kill game.
Seriously, it is the best way to go.
Also, may I ask what you plan on doing with this rabbit after you kill it? Do you know how to field dress an animal? Skin it? etc.
That is why it is best to first hunt with an experienced individual who can show you how to do all these things.

**Banquo's Ghost** · 12-19-2010, 16:53

Originally Posted by Fragony

The Netherlands has strict laws on everything doesn't mean I should naturally oblige every petty rule tofu-munching city-folks cook up. Screw the laws too many of them to keep track. Besides I got night-goggles police doesn't, they will never catch us way too dark.

Well, I can't speak for the Netherlands but a good deal of hunting law is made and enforced by country people. You're the one sounding like a city-slicker.

The attitude expressed above is not that of a hunter, but a poacher. Just as well that you won't take that view on any land of mine, as it wouldn't be the rabbit that gets shot.

Originally Posted by Vuk

There is a reason for making you take gun training BTW Frags, without it you could end up having someone's death on your hands. In the US it used to be that everyone knew how to shoot, and fathers taught their sons (in my case, my dad was also an expert marksman in the Marines :P). It is not the case anymore, and no offense, but an inexperienced person is more likely to hurt themselves or their friend than actually kill game.
Seriously, it is the best way to go.
Also, may I ask what you plan on doing with this rabbit after you kill it? Do you know how to field dress an animal? Skin it? etc.
That is why it is best to first hunt with an experienced individual who can show you how to do all these things.

Very wise words, Vuk.

**Fragony** · 12-19-2010, 17:09

Poaching is the same thing but without a licence what's the difference, not going to shoot any unicorns just a rabbit with an airgun, and eat it mother nature will survive. Friend of mine knows how to clean it

**Vuk** · 12-19-2010, 17:12

**Crazed Rabbit** · 12-20-2010, 04:11

Originally Posted by Fragony

Poaching is the same thing but without a licence what's the difference, not going to shoot any unicorns just a rabbit with an airgun, and eat it mother nature will survive. Friend of mine knows how to clean it

The difference is, hunting licenses pay for upkeep of the land and all attendant public costs. Poaching is stealing. It's not a matter of having the proper government permit or not, but paying for the upkeep of what you do.

Also, an airgun is a small caliber for a rabbit. While I don't think a .223 is necessary, an airgun may well not kill the rabbit. You really need a .22.

It bears repeating, unfortunately, that you should hunt LEGALLY and join a club or whatever and go with someone who's hunted before.

Crazed Rabbits also shoot back!

As it happens, I was looking at one of these yesterday: http://www.eotech-inc.com/product.php?id=29&cat=2

Seems like it'd be a useful sight for hunting.

CR

**PanzerJaeger** · 12-20-2010, 08:30

Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

As it happens, I was looking at one of these yesterday: http://www.eotech-inc.com/product.php?id=29&cat=2

Seems like it'd be a useful sight for hunting.

CR

EOTechs, Aimpoints, and other red dot sights are built for fast reaction, combat-style shooting. While you certainly could hunt with one, I'm not sure it would offer very much benefit over iron sights in that role as it has no magnification. You would also be paying a very large premium for mil-spec durability that is not necessary in the vast majority of hunting situations and not much more.

For $500 you can get a very good hunting scope with multiple magnification settings so that it can be used in a wide variety of applications.

**Fragony** · 12-20-2010, 09:40

If airgun isn't a guaranteed kill I'm not going to use one, I'll get a crossbow instead. Think the woods are private property just going to ask owner's permission, doubt he will mind rabbits are harmfull creatures and they only have foxes to worry about. They are everywhere. If he does I'm going to put it on hold and get the papers.

**Crazed Rabbit** · 12-21-2010, 03:48

Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger

EOTechs, Aimpoints, and other red dot sights are built for fast reaction, combat-style shooting. While you certainly could hunt with one, I'm not sure it would offer very much benefit over iron sights in that role as it has no magnification. You would also be paying a very large premium for mil-spec durability that is not necessary in the vast majority of hunting situations and not much more.

For $500 you can get a very good hunting scope with multiple magnification settings so that it can be used in a wide variety of applications.

I'm not planning on hunting. The primary use would be range shooting and quick shooting competitions.

The nice folks behind the counter mounted the optic on my rifle and let me try looking through. They're so much better than iron sights.

In terms of hunting, I don't know how much the quick acquisition would be worth versus magnifying power, though I think for some types of game (birds, other fast moving, close animals) it'd be quite useful.

CR

**PanzerJaeger** · 12-21-2010, 09:55

Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

I'm not planning on hunting. The primary use would be range shooting and quick shooting competitions.

The nice folks behind the counter mounted the optic on my rifle and let me try looking through. They're so much better than iron sights.

That is my favorite type of shooting. What kind of rifle? An ar of some type?