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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...ing?CMP=twt_fd
America has millions of homeless people. Detroit has thousands of empty houses.
Instead of what I consider an obvious answer to both problems, the city of Detroit plans to demolish the homes....
Could someone please explain how this is anything but insanity?
In America, -1+1=2.
America has millions of homeless people. Detroit has thousands of empty houses.
Instead of what I consider an obvious answer to both problems, the city of Detroit plans to demolish the homes....
Could someone please explain how this is anything but insanity?
In America, -1+1=2.
If the "logic" is the same as the UK
You can't force people to leave where they are as this would damage social cohesion.
It would discriminate against the homeless people forcing them to live in a deprived area.
More prosaically, if you give them the houses, who is going to pay for the upkeep? In the UK that of course is the state. By demolishing them you are reducing future outgoings with a one off cost.
You can't force people to leave where they are as this would damage social cohesion.
It would discriminate against the homeless people forcing them to live in a deprived area.
More prosaically, if you give them the houses, who is going to pay for the upkeep? In the UK that of course is the state. By demolishing them you are reducing future outgoings with a one off cost.
Not even the homeless want to live in Detroit.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...ing?CMP=twt_fd
America has millions of homeless people. Detroit has thousands of empty houses.
Instead of what I consider an obvious answer to both problems, the city of Detroit plans to demolish the homes....
Could someone please explain how this is anything but insanity?
In America, -1+1=2.
You don't understand how politics work in Detroit. Yes, it is insanity.http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...ing?CMP=twt_fd
America has millions of homeless people. Detroit has thousands of empty houses.
Instead of what I consider an obvious answer to both problems, the city of Detroit plans to demolish the homes....
Could someone please explain how this is anything but insanity?
In America, -1+1=2.
Ach, just sell it back to the French for a hundred dollars. They can deal with that kinda stuff!
Originally Posted by Ice:
You don't understand how politics work in Detroit. Yes, it is insanity.
The same happens in other places in the US.You don't understand how politics work in Detroit. Yes, it is insanity.
The same happens in Ireland.
The same happens in the rest of Europe too. Heck, it happens here as well! I think it's called "capitalism" or something...
OK, so they give the homeless the houses. Then what? Who looks after the houses?
What is your solution to the monetary aspect of this? So far you appear to be solving hunger by giving everyone a meal.
What is your solution to the monetary aspect of this? So far you appear to be solving hunger by giving everyone a meal.
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk:
OK, so they give the homeless the houses. Then what? Who looks after the houses?
What is your solution to the monetary aspect of this? So far you appear to be solving hunger by giving everyone a meal.
People aren't capable of looking after a house?OK, so they give the homeless the houses. Then what? Who looks after the houses?
What is your solution to the monetary aspect of this? So far you appear to be solving hunger by giving everyone a meal.
Anyway, it'll be a lot better to let the houses fall into ruin with someone living inside, than letting them fall in ruin while people are living in the front yard.
Silly Gruaniad. They are too PC to say just why Detroit is sinking into poverty and why nobody wants to move in there.
Lille, Marseille and Paris outside the periphery is quite enough. One can only afford so many third world metropoles.
Detroit is the great scare of Europe. America can abandon Detroit. And it can abandon New Orleans. But one can not abandon Paris.
The solution seems to be to physically concentrate wealth and privilege within parts of the European cities, and raise the drawbridge. I predict the return of the city wall.
Originally Posted by Hax:
Ach, just sell it back to the French for a hundred dollars. They can deal with that kinda stuff!
No thanks. Ach, just sell it back to the French for a hundred dollars. They can deal with that kinda stuff!
Lille, Marseille and Paris outside the periphery is quite enough. One can only afford so many third world metropoles.
Detroit is the great scare of Europe. America can abandon Detroit. And it can abandon New Orleans. But one can not abandon Paris.
The solution seems to be to physically concentrate wealth and privilege within parts of the European cities, and raise the drawbridge. I predict the return of the city wall.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
People aren't capable of looking after a house?
Anyway, it'll be a lot better to let the houses fall into ruin with someone living inside, than letting them fall in ruin while people are living in the front yard.
No they're not. There are vast number of council houses attesting to this fact.People aren't capable of looking after a house?
Anyway, it'll be a lot better to let the houses fall into ruin with someone living inside, than letting them fall in ruin while people are living in the front yard.
If people wanted to, they could have squatted in these houses. As they haven't they either have no drive or no interest in doing so.
LOL... Detroit? Detroit a victim of capitalism? Even funnier. Nope Detroit is a victim of democrat politics as its worse and the population is too stupid to put anyone else in power. You couldn't put the homeless up there because it would cost too much to protect them from the "residents" that are already there sucking on the governments teet. Horetore, you should move up there and show these people the errors of their ways.
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat:
Silly Gruaniad. They are too PC to say just why Detroit is sinking into poverty and why nobody wants to move in there.
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I'm not... blacks and democrats make a deadly mix for any city's infrastructure and treasury. Cold hard truth.Silly Gruaniad. They are too PC to say just why Detroit is sinking into poverty and why nobody wants to move in there.
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They're not alone. California is merely rich enough to avoid this fate for the time being by the thought of the state going belly up being too terrible for anyone to contemplate it.
It's not the race, it's any group that feels they're better off with handouts than trying. Traditionally Democrats give more handouts so they'll be voted in.
It's not the race, it's any group that feels they're better off with handouts than trying. Traditionally Democrats give more handouts so they'll be voted in.
In all seriousness I don't think many people, even homeless people who could get a free house, would want to move to Detroit. The reason the city wants to demolish homes is because it can't pay for services - water, fire and police to largely unpopulated areas. Large amounts of homeless people shipped in, who would need services but wouldn't contribute much in the way of taxes, would just make things worse. Also, vacant homes serve as shelter for criminal activity.
Doesn't help that the last mayor was extremely corrupt.
CR
Doesn't help that the last mayor was extremely corrupt.
CR
Detroit is a loss cause, much like most homeless people in the US. Although Horetore's idea is noble and has good intentions, it would only make the situation worse. Our country's homeless are homeless mainly by their own bad decisions and choices they made in their lives. Cities like Detroit, East St Louis, New Orleans, Newark, Oakland, etc, are in the condition they are in due to bad choices in the polling booths. You can only tax the successful so much before they leave and you lose that revenue.
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave:
I'm not... blacks and democrats make a deadly mix for any city's infrastructure and treasury. Cold hard truth.
Very true. Memphis is only slightly better off.I'm not... blacks and democrats make a deadly mix for any city's infrastructure and treasury. Cold hard truth.
Beautiful cities across America have been ravaged by black leadership. It is a vicious cycle. As the black leadership starts to show poor judgment, those with the resources, mostly whites, escape, leaving only poor working class blacks who habitually vote in more black leadership.
Black mayors aren't any better or worse than white ones.
The bad black mayors are (generally) the ones who get elected by race baiting; making the election about who's going to be on the side of black people.
It's hard to feel sorry for the people of Detroit, though, since they kept on voting in idiots.
CR
The bad black mayors are (generally) the ones who get elected by race baiting; making the election about who's going to be on the side of black people.
It's hard to feel sorry for the people of Detroit, though, since they kept on voting in idiots.
CR
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk:
They're not alone. California is merely rich enough to avoid this fate for the time being by the thought of the state going belly up being too terrible for anyone to contemplate it.
It's not the race, it's any group that feels they're better off with handouts than trying. Traditionally Democrats give more handouts so they'll be voted in.
Isn't the California issue that they've set up a system that easily stops budget cuts and tax rises? Thus making a balanced budget impossible when its gone unbalanced?They're not alone. California is merely rich enough to avoid this fate for the time being by the thought of the state going belly up being too terrible for anyone to contemplate it.
It's not the race, it's any group that feels they're better off with handouts than trying. Traditionally Democrats give more handouts so they'll be voted in.
Originally Posted by drone:
Not even the homeless want to live in Detroit.
heh my brother lived there for a while, I don't think he's going to revisit it very soon.Not even the homeless want to live in Detroit.
@Horetore, leftist logic pur sang, you can house them there but there's no work, that is why the houses are empty deleted by SF
1-1=0
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
The same happens in other places in the US.
The same happens in Ireland.
The same happens in the rest of Europe too. Heck, it happens here as well! I think it's called "capitalism" or something...
The same happens in other places in the US.
The same happens in Ireland.
The same happens in the rest of Europe too. Heck, it happens here as well! I think it's called "capitalism" or something...
Stop talking. You are looking extremely foolish to those who know any shred of truth about the city. This isn't the fault of capitalism. In fact, capitalism is what made this city great during the first half of the 20th century.
Originally Posted by :
I'm not... blacks and democrats make a deadly mix for any city's infrastructure and treasury. Cold hard truth.
Sadly, yes.I'm not... blacks and democrats make a deadly mix for any city's infrastructure and treasury. Cold hard truth.
Originally Posted by :
Black mayors aren't any better or worse than white ones.
The bad black mayors are (generally) the ones who get elected by race baiting; making the election about who's going to be on the side of black people.
It's hard to feel sorry for the people of Detroit, though, since they kept on voting in idiots.
CR
Correct. The current mayor, Dave Bing, is black and not a bad mayor at all. He's doing his best to attempt to salvage Detroit, but I don't see it improving to the level of most American cities in my lifetime.Black mayors aren't any better or worse than white ones.
The bad black mayors are (generally) the ones who get elected by race baiting; making the election about who's going to be on the side of black people.
It's hard to feel sorry for the people of Detroit, though, since they kept on voting in idiots.
CR
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk:
If the "logic" is the same as the UK
You can't force people to leave where they are as this would damage social cohesion.
If you are referring to a case you made before, about looking for work out of area, the problem is, the set-up costs are too great. It isn't easy abandon everyone you know, with no money to your name, to go some where strange, with even less money, no house, etc, to get a job. It only works if you are a high flier and already got a job in that area.If the "logic" is the same as the UK
You can't force people to leave where they are as this would damage social cohesion.
Originally Posted by Beskar:
If you are referring to a case you made before, about looking for work out of area, the problem is, the set-up costs are too great. It isn't easy abandon everyone you know, with no money to your name, to go some where strange, with even less money, no house, etc, to get a job. It only works if you are a high flier and already got a job in that area.
The admin assistant where I work moved for the job. So did her boss. Neither are "high fliers". I'm not really, and I moved too.If you are referring to a case you made before, about looking for work out of area, the problem is, the set-up costs are too great. It isn't easy abandon everyone you know, with no money to your name, to go some where strange, with even less money, no house, etc, to get a job. It only works if you are a high flier and already got a job in that area.
Journeymen used to do this sort of thing all the time, so it is possible, but these days any thought of discomfort makes something impossible.
Sadly, most of the buildings slated for demolition in Detroit are likely to be demolished anyway -- the cost of bringing them up to levels where they can get a C.O. is virtually prohibitive. Old physical plant, under-maintained and then unmaintained for years....not gonna work.
Moreover, the non-infrastructure services in Detroit are sketchy. They have only 8 grocery stores within city limits...for 800k people.
Moreover, the non-infrastructure services in Detroit are sketchy. They have only 8 grocery stores within city limits...for 800k people.
Only reason to go to Detroit is to go down to the Joe and watch a Wings game (it's funny that the "DETROIT SUCKS" chant that Chicago fans do is applicable to basically all but what they are targeting). The Pistons wisely are in Auburn Hills and the other two teams suck. Like a couple of blocks in downtown are actually decent, but yes, that city is a very sad sight. 
Luckily, most of Detroit's suburbs are very nice. Oakland County is one of the most affluent counties in the country, plus it is the home county of yours truly.
Luckily, most of Detroit's suburbs are very nice. Oakland County is one of the most affluent counties in the country, plus it is the home county of yours truly.
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink:
Only reason to go to Detroit is to go down to the Joe and watch a Wings game (it's funny that the "DETROIT SUCKS" chant that Chicago fans do is applicable to basically all but what they are targeting). The Pistons wisely are in Auburn Hills and the other two teams suck. Like a couple of blocks in downtown are actually decent, but yes, that city is a very sad sight.
Luckily, most of Detroit's suburbs are very nice. Oakland County is one of the most affluent counties in the country, plus it is the home county of yours truly.
Pfft you ritzy Oakland County people... make me sick :D.Only reason to go to Detroit is to go down to the Joe and watch a Wings game (it's funny that the "DETROIT SUCKS" chant that Chicago fans do is applicable to basically all but what they are targeting). The Pistons wisely are in Auburn Hills and the other two teams suck. Like a couple of blocks in downtown are actually decent, but yes, that city is a very sad sight.
Luckily, most of Detroit's suburbs are very nice. Oakland County is one of the most affluent counties in the country, plus it is the home county of yours truly.
I would say it was some of what HoreTore said, some of what others have said. Bad leadership (I'm not going to go into the race issue), but then again, companies of all products are trying to shift production to the lowest labor cost region and unionized Detroit probably wasn't the best place.
Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger:
Check this out. The ruins of Detroit.
Ye Gods, pictures really bring it home. It's so sad to see those majestic buildings falling into disrepair.Check this out. The ruins of Detroit.
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk:
Ye Gods, pictures really bring it home. It's so sad to see those majestic buildings falling into disrepair.
Indeed, you wonder who left them in such disrepair in the first place.Ye Gods, pictures really bring it home. It's so sad to see those majestic buildings falling into disrepair.
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