[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[Beskar]

TinCow, the from the reason you want him dead, isn't because he is 'scum', it is because he is a threat to you a Samus, who are in fact the scum.

If you want rid of him, go and night kill him.

[TinCow]

TinCow, the from the reason you want him dead, isn't because he is 'scum', it is because he is a threat to you a Samus, who are in fact the scum.

If you want rid of him, go and night kill him.

You're seriously going to argue that the character Ridley is friendly to the GF and IDFH?

[Beskar]

You're seriously going to argue that the character Ridley is friendly to the GF and IDFH?

Well, I can make it really easy. He is after killing you, and he makes you wet your pants. As he goes munching on your Dark Samus and Samus, he will be doing us a big favour. Also, he cannot be recruited by you or Samus.

Plus, apparently he has 'strong defenses', you should focus your efforts on putting him down then. Make it multiple attempts too. Better than attacking innocents.

[Secura]

I was surprised to see Shepard in game and as a girl no less

It was MaleShep at first, but Chaotix said I could be FempShep if I wanted, so I accepted. :P

But if Beefy dies I will lose all reason for attempting to follow this game further and I kinda like this game and the drama and discussion in it even though I'm not a fan of the setting. Pretty sure I'll just look at the summary thread from time to time to read Chaotix's nice story. Also, I will not suppress my desire to see TinCow's group win it because I like what TinCow has done so far in the game. In fact, even now the second best thing that could happen except a pure town victory would be Dark Samus winning for me (I was IDFH).

Your posting has been quite helpful and insightful, even though you're dead; I hope that you continue doing so even if Beefy dies. :3

By the way, I wish God Emperor dies. Retaliation vote, plus you never did give me that 20 gold...

Crikey, someone talking about Aeducan Succession! I never did understand why you demanded that gold... :P

ATPG is...

As a deceased player, are you allowed to reveal this information?

[TinCow]

As a deceased player, are you allowed to reveal this information?

Dead players are not prevented from accusing others, nor are they prevented from speculating as to other players roles. I have not disclosed any information that I received from PMs or night results. The only evidence I have cited is available to all in Chaotix's write-ups.

[ULC]

Hmm from my quick skim the Seon lead seems fairly decent, since ATPG is supposedly innocent and Beefy is as I mentioned before... Beefy-ish (which isn't much of a case to lynch him by really).

Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Seon

In any case, since it seems to have dropped, I'll reiterate what Sasaki said.

Ironside has churned out information that he should otherwise not have, that Beskar is somehow IDFH and Sasaki double checked and found out that that was the first context of "Jill Valentine" (Beskar's alleged character role) and "IDFH" together.

Could be perfect information syndrome, but I'll just toss it out again since it seems to have been swallowed up by discussion between Reenk,Sasaki and ATPG.

In any case, Ironside for this recent seems to be a fairly decent lynch for the next phase, this slip of tongue shouldn't be let off.

Anything to say about this Ironside?

Saying Jill Valentine isn't IDFH or Hero is equivalent of having a Marvel vs Street Fighter setting and wondering why someone would accuse Ryu of being in league with the Street Fighter side of the town. Jill Valentine is from the Resident Evil universe, not the Metriod one, so it is either IDFH or a cover role.

[Greyblades]

unvote; vote: Beefy

For not trying.

There we go! Just add a fail caption at the bottom of the pic and it'd be perfect.

Dead players are not prevented from accusing others, nor are they prevented from speculating as to other players roles. I have not disclosed any information that I received from PMs or night results. The only evidence I have cited is available to all in Chaotix's write-ups.

You're not allowed to reveal role pm's and I dont think sending in quotes from pms is permitted either.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I can buy that. solo third party is necessarily immune to all investigations.

We should lynch seon today and pizza tomorrow.

[TinCow]

You're not allowed to reveal role pm's and I dont think sending in quotes from pms is permitted either.

I did not do either. The quote is from Chaotix's Night 0 writeup...

[Ironside]

Ironside has churned out information that he should otherwise not have, that Beskar is somehow IDFH and Sasaki double checked and found out that that was the first context of "Jill Valentine" (Beskar's alleged character role) and "IDFH" together.

Could be perfect information syndrome, but I'll just toss it out again since it seems to have been swallowed up by discussion between Reenk,Sasaki and ATPG.

In any case, Ironside for this recent seems to be a fairly decent lynch for the next phase, this slip of tongue shouldn't be let off.

Anything to say about this Ironside?

That Chaotix isn't a well known writer of Metroid/Resident evil fanfic. And that I didn't consider the Hero faction when writing that. But the GF faction is incredibly short stacked on names, which it shouldn't, if any names comes from other places than the metroid series. Ergo, Jill Valentine is either IDFH or Hero. And Beskar has claimed to have been attacked and survived last night and only Jill did that. The true Jill haven't counter claimed, thus Beskar is Jill.


Unvote: ATPG
Vote: Abstain
Going on Beskar's contact here and a lack of good lynches as far as I can see.

While Tincow might be correct, it's no hurry to take out the serial killer, at least not until we see a few night attempts. Truths, half truths, lies, speculations, etc, you're much more free to say whatever you want while being a dead mafia. I say it's much higher odds of Beskar's attacker being one of Tincow's minions. One did have a very secret mission.

[Greyblades]

I did not do either. The quote is from Chaotix's Night 0 writeup...

I know I was just reiterating.

[Seon]

May I say something?

Killing me in a lynch is as a bad idea as killing a night investigator in a lynch.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote for pizza then.

[pevergreen]

Righto, since seon seems to be an investigator:

Vote: ATPG

Seriously though, Seon, whats with the Tom Nook stuff?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm doubtful about seons claim. But I smell the possibility of a counterwagon lynching pizza! And it's good to let investigative claimee's slide.

mafia very likely have the ability to investigate. Pizza is a very likely early target. If you catch the SK, you ask the town to lynch him--100%. And we should, because it knocks out 1 kill a night.

[Askthepizzaguy]

*yawn*

There's really only one reason why Tincow would reveal such a thing. We got close to the jackpot based on something I did.

So, here's what I've been up to:

When someone was put forward as a lynch candidate, I contacted them and tried to get information out of them which might determine if they should be prioritized for death or not. Also, when finding out that certain people were active at night, I came up with a plan to confirm whether or not they were Samus/Dark Samus, using the investigators.

You don't need to have the top tier investigation to find such people. Beskar was informed of the plan and will carry it out in my absence.

As for my third party status: Yep. I am indeed third party; and my mission is one Beskar is already informed of, and a couple other people as well. Apparently there is a leak, or I pushed Dark Samus' button, because otherwise Tincow would have kept my anonymity a bit longer.

I can say that I am totally incorruptible and that I can be killed off the instant Samus and Dark Samus are dead, because my mission involves only those two. I can do what Chaotix did in the Star Wars game; all you have to do is remember not to leave me alive until the end (although, really, if Samus and Dark Samus are dead, it doesn't matter; I've accomplished my objective, and you nearly have as well).

Do as you will; I am a better lynch from your perspective than a townie, but I am a far more valuable ally that you'd imagine. That's why Tincow is so anxious to get rid of me.

[Beskar]

I recommend not lynching Pizza. Allow him to get night-killed by Dark Samus/Samus instead. He is a bigger threat to them then to us.

[pevergreen]

I'm doubtful about seons claim. But I smell the possibility of a counterwagon lynching pizza! And it's good to let investigative claimee's slide.

mafia very likely have the ability to investigate. Pizza is a very likely early target. If you catch the SK, you ask the town to lynch him--100%. And we should, because it knocks out 1 kill a night.

Well I suppose its dependant on what level of investigation Seon has. If he has the one like Beskar's investigator, we should keep him around a round in case, but yes, having an SK around is never good. I still get pains thinking about how TinCow fooled us all in Netherworld as the SK. Never going to get over that.

edit: Beskar:

I find it very suspicious that as soon as ATPG comes under pressure, he was magically chosen to be investigated by your person last night. Which means he is the sk and you knew it, and you said he was town, which SKs are not...

Methinks I should declare war on the Paple State in a hundred years or so.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm doubtful about seons claim. But I smell the possibility of a counterwagon lynching pizza! And it's good to let investigative claimee's slide.

mafia very likely have the ability to investigate. Pizza is a very likely early target. If you catch the SK, you ask the town to lynch him--100%. And we should, because it knocks out 1 kill a night.

BTW I did not kill N1, and Beskar was a target because I thought he was Samus.

I also am not killing without Beskar's permission. Beskar wants me alive. But hey, lame as these events are, I can understand why I'd be lynched. This is far better than the no-reason wagon.

Seon shouldn't be lynched, but your objectives should be to get Samus/Dark Samus and the mafia factions, same as me. I can assist with that. If anything, this forces the mafia to come and get me, and I do have a bit of resistance to their kill attempts.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am going out on a limb: I am being revealed because of a plan I had in the works to clear Renata.

Tincow didn't like it, so he revealed me.

unvote, vote: Renata

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Pizza's claim + play make him the best lynch easily. I knew you seemed off...didn't think you'd be so put out at my attacking you as a mafioso though...forgot about sk possibilities.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I am going out on a limb: I am being revealed because of a plan I had in the works to clear Renata.

Tincow didn't like it, so he revealed me.

unvote, vote: Renata

Renata is a good lynch choice (for tomorrow :p), but how did TinCow know about it?

[Beskar]

On another note; could the person who protected me reveal their identity to me in private? I will not obviously reveal you, but I want to make sure no one counter-claims saying they were my protector.

Plus there is an investigation ability going around which checks some one is active at night or not. Can vouch for you if that ever comes up on you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza's claim + play make him the best lynch easily. I knew you seemed off...didn't think you'd be so put out at my attacking you as a mafioso though...forgot about sk possibilities.

Very well. But, I'm not leaving this game without making some impact- take what I said about the reasons why Tincow revealed me seriously.

There are only so many people I've interacted with, and Beskar is aware of all of them. One of them has to be Dark Samus or a Dark Samus ally; either that or one of the people who nearly got lynched here is a Dark Samus ally.

It's plain as can be; I got close to one of your objectives. Don't let go.

[Beskar]

Renata is a good lynch choice (for tomorrow :p), but how did TinCow know about it?

Mafia quicktopic obviously, if Renata is scum. She writes "Pizza wants to clear me, but I am mafia, help me!". I biggest problem is whether or not it is coincidence.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Renata is a good lynch choice (for tomorrow :p), but how did TinCow know about it?

In order to get Renata to do something which would assist in clearing her, I contacted her and asked her to do a specific thing. She replied back in the affirmative.

Then, Tincow revealed me.

I do think they are related; either that or it's bad timing, and is related to the other candidates for a lynch.

[johnhughthom]

JohnH has a good chance of just being lazy town.

You didn't like my post and I get why, it was my own vote from my own conclusions though, so flawed as they may be it's a bit harsh to call me a lazy townie. I went through the thread trying to spot something nobody else had and Winston's post was the best I could come up with. Do I think it's a strong case? No, but would you rather I just jumped on a bandwagon?

You're impressed by this?

Indeed my vote on TC looks lazy, but it came after a private discussion with Beskar to find out more about his case.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I want to inform everyone about a couple of things about this game which are of some note.

1. Cover roles

So far, they look like the person they're disguised as. Not even vaguely, almost a mirror image. Dragonite -> Obvious Meta-Ridley. Dude who looks like Cloud -> Corrupted Cloud. I bet you the pattern holds for most of the starting mafia.

Don't believe what people claim to be, because there's no rule that says they have to claim what their cover role is. Make them appear in the write-up. If they show up in the write-up with a morphology that loosely matches what you'd expect Dark Samus/Samus/unknown killers are, you've probably got yourself a mafia.

If the pattern does hold beyond just me and Tincow, you must make people appear in the writeup. Here's how you can do it-

Have someone vig-kill them, and have the protector protect them. That makes them appear in the writeup as Chaotix-made cover role, regardless of what they WANT to appear as.

I would show up as Dragonite in the writeup, not Meta-Ridley. Same for all others with cover roles.


2. Investigation powers

I would of course be the third most powerful role in this game, as it is my mission to remove power role number one and two; the mafia godfathers respectively.

Guess what? I don't have X-ray vision. I find it very difficult to believe that town would start off with such a power, and here's why: What's the point of me having a cover role if it can be penetrated from night one?

Think about it. Who needs to have X-ray vision? Tincow was probably right about one thing, those who started with that power, are mafia. They have to be. If anyone besides Samus/Dark Samus team members has it, it should be me. Why don't I have it? Probably to make me not too powerful and my mission too easy.

However, we can learn powers in this game. I am betting I learn such a power, and in a reasonable time frame. But Beskar's investigator, is likely Samus team mafia, due to how they revealed Tincow from N1.

I have Thermal Vision. Now, coordinating with others, I can still find mafia with such a power, but it takes a little effort. If I scan someone and they're active, I can find out what they were doing, and ask them to go inactive.

If they do, and Dark Samus/Samus/pikachu/whoever turns out inactive, that's suspicious. Or it's WIFOM, but even then, one less murder, which buys you time to investigate.

[pevergreen]

So basically ATPG, beskar tries to clear you and you say hes Samus?

Thoughts Sasaki? ATPG today, Beskar tomorrow?

Right now, I'm sleeping.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So basically ATPG, beskar tries to clear you and you say hes Samus?

No, I say his investigator is a Samus team member posing as a pro-town role.

It's quite likely; Beskar is aware of how likely he is. At the same time, this person is still technically useful in ferreting out Dark Samus team members. If you keep Beskar protected, he can reveal this person at any time, if you believe they have outstayed their welcome.

Beskar can also clear this person using the other investigators.

Thoughts Sasaki? ATPG today, Beskar tomorrow?

Right now, I'm sleeping.

I agree, thoughts would be nice.