[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

His after post isn't what I'd expect from mafia.

Your investigate is really just tracker, right?

Maybe beskar can check romanic. If he's town it's better to have him alive.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I would investigate first just to be on the safe side. We have 34 players left so time isn't an issue. But you got the sweet role so surprise us.

I will make what I feel is the best move for the town. I think we're on the same page about what should be done; I'll pick from the available options that seem to be plausible.

Your investigate is really just tracker, right?

Thermal scan works exactly like Investigation I in my previous Star Wars game; it tells if target was active or not. I explained how it could be used to catch mafia in the previous game. It really is most effective in the early rounds.

It doesn't "track" or "watch", because those are different terms; a tracker would know who this person visited at night, a watcher would know who visited the target. This does neither; it tells activity, and not what kind of activity. It's basically a shot in the dark you're going to hit mafia or townie power role. I was prepared to fire here because Beskar could account for his investigator not being the target. The only other person I was wary of was his protector; I felt the odds were worth a lynch.

Maybe beskar can check romanic. If he's town it's better to have him alive.

I agree pulling the trigger on Romanic seems premature, but I do agree he needs to be looked at, in the top 5 or so.

I still wouldn't say openly who we are investigating tonight. I feel we should get a list of candidates and secretly pick from those. That way it's collaborative but still harder to guess what town is doing.

[Romanic]

Some replies to posts that I've haven't answered yet, from yesterday.

JHT was one of the early voters on TinCow, and kept his vote there until the end, so if you're looking for a reason not to vote him, that's it.

You're impressed by this?

I missed that question yesterday, Sasaki.

I am not 'impressed' by it, it's not the right word. I just think that a player deserve some credit for a well-timed vote against a scum, enough credit to be immune to petty cases like the one you had on him yesterday.

Point me to someone being attacked (and killed, since beskar is still alive) that has had a cover role, in this game.

Bah, you misinterpreted my posts twice in a row. Wondering if my explanations were that bad or if it's something else. Anyway ATPG confirmed in a later post, that cover role names will appear in the writeup, if attacked. I guess that I believe him on that point. Surely he was trying to save his life, and being caught in a lie here wouldn't help.

Hey I found a post that was gobbeled up in the Pizza/Sasaki post parade!

In Koopa Troop, there wasn't a single character who killed people when they were lynched. I think. There was a joker, but nothing else like that.

Wow AA, what's up with you in this game? I'm seeing some analysis, some good reasons to place a vote, and now you're answering my question on mafia having the ability to kill their voters in a previous CoV game.

I just don't recognize you. Anyway, thanks for answering.

So what was Motep saying about mafia having the ability to kill their voters if they were lynched? It happened in another CoV game maybe? I'll have to check the first game "Council of Villains" and the 2nd, "The Missing Link", unless someone else knows the answer?

I still think it's interesting to know if TinCow could kill one of his own, if they were voting for him, because they wouldn't be voting for him if that's the case, unless they're ballsy, maybe.

[Beskar]

Oh man, i wish I didn't collapse asleep last night, so I could have joined the Renata wagon. I already voiced my suspicion of her, but was waiting on a reply about her being my protector or not. (if not, I was going to vote)

Good going.

[Greyblades]

*Ahem*
I. Told. You. So.


...


...Well I did!

[Romanic]

Anyway, Pizza full-revealed to me. He said that he has two abilities, a scan and a kill ability. His role is to kill both Samus and Dark Samus, if he succeeds, he can win with the town. If they are alive, he is classed as SK and needs to be killed (I assume this is for maifa /w town faction victories). I lied in thread about him being cleared, to have him hang around, as he assured me that he will say who he was killing in advance, and since we both share the same objective in killing Samus and Dark Samus mafias, I saw no reason for us not to give him some space to do his work, afterall, I could just post in thread with "Lynch him" if required.

For the record Beskar, I don't like your play. Many wrong conclusions can be made about Pizza being falsely confirmed townie, and about you being caught lying. I think that you didn't have to lie, that you didn't have to spread false information in order to protect someone who's not Town aligned. Working with him, fine, maybe, if you trust him, if the plan is good, if we get something out of it, but you shouldn't be lying to keep him alive.

It just doesn't help. You're the top Townie in my book, I'm very inclined to believe what you say.... well, I was. Now you're forcing me to second guess, and I'll have to wonder if you aren't trying to pull one of your moves. *sigh*

[God Emperor]

Sorry guys, I have been down with a fever which escalated a few days ago.. That is the reason why I have been virtually gone from the game.. But doing better now, and thus I should be able to kick up activity tomorrow:)

[Romanic]

I have Thermal Vision. Now, coordinating with others, I can still find mafia with such a power, but it takes a little effort. If I scan someone and they're active, I can find out what they were doing, and ask them to go inactive.

So that I understand correctly, Thermal Vision tells you if your target is doing something? That's it, or is there more to it?

[Beskar]

For the record Beskar, I don't like your play. Many wrong conclusions can be made about Pizza being falsely confirmed townie, and about you being caught lying. I think that you didn't have to lie, that you didn't have to spread false information in order to protect someone who's not Town aligned. Working with him, fine, maybe, if you trust him, if the plan is good, if we get something out of it, but you shouldn't be lying to keep him alive.

It just doesn't help. You're the top Townie in my book, I'm very inclined to believe what you say.... well, I was. Now you're forcing me to second guess, and I'll have to wonder if you aren't trying to pull one of your moves. *sigh*

Well, my moves resulted us in getting Dark Samus. By me confronting Pizza privately, and covering his back, he fully revealed to me and felt we could work together. This resulted in us collaborating and getting Renata on the cards when Seon revealed his investigation result.

This move made TinCow come out to defend Renata and attack ATPG. This was the clincher which made Renata suspect number 1, and got her lynched. Thus with us having the fabulous write-up today.

You might disagree with my methods, but you are definitely not disagreeing with my results.


Edit: I was never caught lying, I confessed to lying, and in hindsight, I made the right choose, because it was my lying which got TinCow to come out the woodwork.

[Romanic]

What you're assuming indicates that the attacker will learn the connection between player name and real (not cover) role. Have you considered that?

Yeah, I did. It worked like that in every games that I recall, when someone survived a night attack. If a player attack someone and fails, it acts like an investigation result.

Like I said, I can't remember a game where it worked differently.

Zelda (on TWC): Diana was attacked, his attacked knew her identity. Same thing when the neutrals attacked ATPG.

Yeah, I'm sure there's more examples of this, I just can't recall at the moment. Anyways, this possibility seemed the obvious way it should work again in this game, but it's apparently not the case if we believe ATPG.

[pevergreen]

Yeah, I'm sure there's more examples of this, I just can't recall at the moment. Anyways, this possibility seemed the obvious way it should work again in this game, but it's apparently not the case if we believe ATPG.

Worked like that in Koopa Troop. I attacked khaan, got told he was yoshi. He showed as yoshi in the writeup though, and I had special interaction possible with that team so its probably useless...

[Romanic]

Well, my moves resulted us in getting Dark Samus. By me confronting Pizza privately, and covering his back, he fully revealed to me and felt we could work together. This resulted in us collaborating and getting Renata on the cards when Seon revealed his investigation result.

This move made TinCow come out to defend Renata and attack ATPG. This was the clincher which made Renata suspect number 1, and got her lynched. Thus with us having the fabulous write-up today.

You might disagree with my methods, but you are definitely not disagreeing with my results.

Not sure which part lying about Pizza being Town played in all of this, not sure if you could have done without it, but yeah, I like the result even if I don't agree with how you achieved it.

Edit to your edit:

Edit: I was never caught lying, I confessed to lying, and in hindsight, I made the right choose, because it was my lying which got TinCow to come out the woodwork.

That's so you.

You were caught lying, TinCow revealed ATPG's role before you admitted, and Pizza also confirmed it before. That's being caught lying to me. Either way, semantics.

[Secura]

Is there a finer thing then waking up to MSN beeping away with "LOL, Dark Samus has been pwnd, you have been avenged!"? I'd rather have Ryan Reynolds providing the wakeup call, but you can't have everything. :<

Congratulations town, hopefully you'll leave Pizza around a little longer; not just for the use he'll be, but also the sheer entertainment value!

I also hope Renata will hang around and play the dastardly deceased mafia card alongside TinCow. :P

That's so you.

More than you'll ever know... xD

[Askthepizzaguy]

I need someone with "Scan Visor" to contact Beskar immediately. Someone else claimed to have such a power and I am worried that their description of the ability more closely matches X-ray visor, the same power that was used to take down Tincow.

If so, then the person is lying about having Scan Visor, and is thus mafia.

Please describe in detail to Beskar what it does, exactly.

Was it posted somewhere in-thread already? Please direct me to such a post, instead, if preferable.

[DELETE_THIS]

Oh how nice, I was wrong.
For the scanners out there: I'll be scanning someone tonight.

[Romanic]

Is there a finer thing then waking up to MSN beeping away with "LOL, Dark Samus has been pwnd, you have been avenged!"? I'd rather have Ryan Reynolds providing the wakeup call, but you can't have everything. :<

Congratulations town, hopefully you'll leave Pizza around a little longer; not just for the use he'll be, but also the sheer entertainment value!

There's no denying that Pizza did good yesterday, but not lynching him is delaying the inevitable. Pizza himself said that he cannot win with us, so we will have to lynch him eventually and as the days go by, it may become harder to lynch him if the priority shift to something more important. He's playing to win (he might deny it though) but he would jump on an opportunity to backstab us, if such a thing was possible. Maybe not, with so many of us left, but we can't wait too long.

I'm willing to delay his lynch, as long as we have good cases, and as long as he's not acting suspiciouly, but it will have to happen. Any day we don't have a good lynch candidate will be a good day to lynch Pizza.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is the code I will use to send a message to you in the thread, if I feel the need to do so. Your messages will be indicated as they will be addressed to Agent Ninjapants. I will speak plainly in the thread, but all names will be replaced by numbers. The numbers were generated by running the entire participant list (including replacements) through random.org. This is the list:

1. Winston Hughes
2. classical_hero
3. Reenk Roink
4. autolycus
5. Beskar
6. YLC
7. Death is Yonder
8. Yaseikhaan
9. Jarema
10. Beefy187
11. Link
12. pevergreen
13. Double A
14. Khazaar
15. a completely inoffensive name
16. Motep
17. Frozen in Ice
18. Ironside
19. Kagemusha
20. Glenn
21. AntiKingWarmanCake88
22. dcmort93
23. Yaropolk
24. woad&fangs
25. Csargo
26. Captain Blackadder
27. Cecil XIX
28. Rebel Jeb
29. Choxorn
30. God Emperor
31. robbiecon
32. Nictel
33. TinCow
34. Seon
35. Insanious
36. ByzantineKnight
37. Askthepizzaguy
38. landlubber
39. Renata
40. Sasaki Kojiro
41. Secura
42. Romanic
43. Nightbringer
44. Thefluffyone93
45. Skooma Addict
46. Diamondeye
47. Raskolnikov
48. johnhughthom
49. Greyblades

This list is unique to you. All others receiving similar codes will have different random.org lists, so they will not be able to understand the information I am giving you, and vice versa. If you wish to communicate with me, end a post with a smilie. In that post, any name you list in the first line should be a GF-aligned person or someone else you think we need to kill. If you want to give more information than that, I will pay very close attention to what you write in line two. Figure out a way to put that information in there, and I will do my best to interpret your meaning. Remember, I will only look for encoded information from you in a post that ends with a smilie. Do not end a post with a smilie if you do not wish to communicate with me.

As you claim to not have any active abilities, do not expect to receive much information from me as it would generally be pointless. If you gain the ability to vig kill, it will be important for you to communicate that to me. As such, use this exact phrase in line ONE of a coded post to indicate that you can now vig kill: "Chaotix, this game is awesome." Anything else can go in line one along with it, but make sure you use that exact phrase.

Possibility this is forged to get me to trust mister Ninjapants. However, I'm well aware of mister Ninja and how likely he is to be scum, and passed on his identity to others.

More and more townies are breaking away from Tincow's grip. I would like more people to renounce the Phazon team and contact me with your codes, please. Especially if you were one of Tincow's ACTIVE agents.

Knowing that you were greatly removes you from suspicion as we can account for your behavior and that you are unlikely to be Samus/mafia.

Please contact me immediately with further codes.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh how nice, I was wrong.
For the scanners out there: I'll be scanning someone tonight.

All I can really do is facepalm.

I truly hope you're not a scanner, and that this was a bad, bad, bad desperate move by a mafioso to explain why you'll be active tonight, along with like 10 other people.

There's no denying that Pizza did good yesterday, but not lynching him is delaying the inevitable. Pizza himself said that he cannot win with us, so we will have to lynch him eventually and as the days go by, it may become harder to lynch him if the priority shift to something more important. He's playing to win (he might deny it though) but he would jump on an opportunity to backstab us, if such a thing was possible. Maybe not, with so many of us left, but we can't wait too long.

I'm willing to delay his lynch, as long as we have good cases, and as long as he's not acting suspiciouly, but it will have to happen. Any day we don't have a good lynch candidate will be a good day to lynch Pizza.

You do realize that it would technically be "front" stabbing, in this case?

I mean.... if a dude walks up to your house carrying a knife and a sign that says "I am a serial killer" and you open the door for them, and they say "Hi, I am a serial killer" and you invite them in for buttered scones and tea, and you enjoy a nice friendly chat, and they say "You know, if the mafia doesn't show up, I kind of have to kill you" and you say "Sure thing!" and they say "It's getting late, and no mafia. Can I kill you now?" and you say "Sure, why not?" then they stab you, I mean...

"Back stabbing"? REALLY?

Honestly. I've also killed zero townies so far, and helped off one of the main villains. I feel like Shrek over here. I roar angrily and people go "yay" instead of running away.

Some unspeakable horror I turned out to be.

[Renata]

@ Secura -- actually I believe I will cease all hostilities for a while. The game will be too short if I turn on my super-townie-foo to get Samus. Go Samus go. Along the same lines, ATPG also has the complete blessing of the Dark Samus squad. Kill 'em all, Ridley. (And my congratulations for that matter. We may be the unluckiest mafia team in the history of ever, but he still drew the right conclusions. (Are we even, now?))

[Romanic]

Honestly. I've also killed zero townies so far, and helped off one of the main villains. I feel like Shrek over here. I roar angrily and people go "yay" instead of running away.

Some unspeakable horror I turned out to be.

( I skipped the backstabbing semantics. )

Yes, you've killed no townie, yes you helped us so far but by your own admission you cannot win with us. You are an enemy, sucks to be in your shoes. Tell me of a way you can win with the Town and I'll consider it.

Btw, are you making a habit of skipping my posts, or not reading everything?

Again,

So that I understand correctly, Thermal Vision tells you if your target is doing something? That's it, or is there more to it?

[Renata]

Oh, the IDFH squad also has our blessing to do whatever you need to do to keep yourselves among the ranks of the living.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes, you've killed no townie, yes you helped us so far but by your own admission you cannot win with us. You are an enemy, sucks to be in your shoes. Tell me of a way you can win with the Town and I'll consider it.

Sadly, I could, but no one would believe me.

Chaotix told me, after the lynch of Dark Samus, that he would count such a lynch as part of a victory condition so long as I was voting for the correct candidate, because he neglected to discuss in my role PM what counts as a Ridley kill or not, so he clarified. I assumed it was murder only; frankly this seems a bit easy but I don't have long for this dimension so who am I to complain.

I have not failed my primary objective yet. I told Beskar already when I found out, but I honestly don't think anyone would believe me, and I honestly don't see why they would. So here's the deal: I kill Samus or lynch Samus, I will then have achieved my primary objective. Then, lynch me if you wanna. I don't need to prove a darn thing to anyone, as I've already met my goal in such a circumstance. Doesn't matter if you believe me or not, as I'll be nice and dead so you won't have to worry about it. And likely Samus kills me before then anyway, so this is all entirely moot unless really bizarre scenario happens and I survive several more rounds.

Btw, are you making a habit of skipping my posts, or not reading everything?

Again,

I left nothing out; I already described, and in detail, publicly, what the ability does. I don't see what is ambiguous about it. There's nothing more to it than what I already stated.





@ Renata-

Hi Renata, sorry about that. I realize just how ugh that must have been.

I finally got you fair and square, after all these years and all these games, I finally got you.

The bloodlust has been purged from my system.

Hugs, buddy.

[autolycus]

Dear Meta-Ridley and Phazon-Corrupted (and everyone else too)
Based on today and stuff I can't discuss since I'm dead, I'm fairly certain Frozen in Ice is scum and specifically Samus scum. Might I suggest you kill him?
Thanks,
Mr. Dead Quarantine Officer.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Dear Meta-Ridley and Phazon-Corrupted (and everyone else too)
Based on today and stuff I can't discuss since I'm dead, I'm fairly certain Frozen in Ice is scum and specifically Samus scum. Might I suggest you kill him?
Thanks,
Mr. Dead Quarantine Officer.

Sorry, the Phazon aren't in right now. If you'd like to leave a message with the smoking carcass, please do so after the roar.





This is Ridley. I got my killin' teeth in, waiting on permission from my special Valentine to go munch and crunch. Will report back when the bird is in the oven.

[Beskar]

Does this mean I can ride on your back? Meta-ridley?

[Removed - Search Cthulhu and Cartman Song on youtube]

Meta-Ridley Meta-Ridley
Meta-Ridley Meta-Ridley
The evil hate-filled Meta-Ridley
From a dimension far away
Flying through gates of madness
And into your heart
Turning dreams into nightmares
Destroying all he sees
Now begins a new adventure for me
You and the dark one Meta-Ridley
Sharing adventures and smiles
It’s a magical bond two pals can share
Soon the whole world will be made aware
Of you and the death lord Meta-Ridley
Making the world a better place
Together you will have so much fun
Sending all of the stupid fiends to oblivion!
You and the dark one Meta-Ridley.

[TinCow]

Wow, this has been a ridiculously embarrassing game. Every time we could have gotten unlucky, we did. Every time we could have made a bad decision, we did. I'm going to make official something I've been feeling for a long time now: I am cursed in mafia.

To all Agents: Not that I likely need to tell you this, but we're pwned. Fend for yourselves and see to your own personal victories. Don't worry about anyone actually breaking your personal codes and reading your messages, there's too much text in this thread for that to ever happen, regardless of how much time ATPG has. However, don't bother posting any more as I won't be looking for them and I will not be giving out further night orders. I sincerely apologize for how badly this turned out; no one had higher hopes for this situation than me. One final word of advice, don't let ATPG live. True, I revealed him to try and save Renata from an otherwise guaranteed lynch, but that doesn't change who he is. If you forget that, he will survive until the end of the game and kill you all. Good luck!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Wow, this has been a ridiculously embarrassing game. Every time we could have gotten unlucky, we did. Every time we could have made a bad decision, we did. I'm going to make official something I've been feeling for a long time now: I am cursed in mafia.

To all Agents: Not that I likely need to tell you this, but we're pwned. Fend for yourselves and see to your own personal victories. Don't worry about anyone actually breaking your personal codes and reading your messages, there's too much text in this thread for that to ever happen, regardless of how much time ATPG has. I sincerely apologize for how badly this turned out; no one had higher hopes for this situation than me. One final word of advice, don't let ATPG live. True, I revealed him to try and save Renata from an otherwise guaranteed lynch, but that doesn't change who he is. If you forget that, he will survive until the end of the game and kill you all. Good luck!

True, if you are mafia and you let me live, I'm gonna kills ya.

And btw Tincow, the only time anyone would have posted any such codes was for one whole day. It's not hard for me to comb through it.

Don't you remember how insane I am when it comes to massive amounts of reading and typing and analysis? Not to mention the following fact: As the game goes on, there will be fewer suspects alive. I will have fewer posts to consider.

Edits are also public knowledge. Face it, the code system was a wise idea, but it's been countered effectively.

[TinCow]

Also TinCow, I'm very upset at you about this:

Next time, I hope you can give me more credit than being cheap like that.

[Beskar]

True, I revealed him to try and save Renata from an otherwise guaranteed lynch, but that doesn't change who he is. If you forget that, he will survive until the end of the game and kill you all. Good luck!

That is incorrect. Your reveal of Pizza guaranteed her lynch, before that, she wasn't most likely getting lynched at all.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That is incorrect. Your reveal of Pizza guaranteed her lynch, before that, she wasn't most likely getting lynched at all.

No need to rub it in.

I don't think they played a bad game; one person got scanned early, the other got pressured in private and there was a tiny flinch, coupled with another lucky scan and a big hunch.

Nothing obviously horrendous happened.