[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[Greyblades]

Still, it's a worrying thought.

[ULC]

Still, it's a worrying thought.

No, it's not, because it's not in you're power to change that. As town, you must eliminate the mafia, which are Samus and Dark Samus. These are also ATPG's victory conditions. Ergo, to win you have to fullfill ATPG's VC. Which by your logic, means the town would have never been able to win in the first place.

[Greyblades]

...Are you being serious? Firstly its a theory that's all. Secondly no its not impossible to win; all they would have to do is kill pizza before killing samus. Thirdly yeah its in my power, The fact that your even disputing this means your actually listening to me so I'm making at least some impact on the game, also I'm on the replacement list and there have been afew people inactive so its likely I'll be back in the game in a turn or two. Next time you want to tell me what I can and cant do; think about it first.

[Winston Hughes]

@All
Anyone else received the pizzaguy blackmail treatment tonight?

@Beskar
Do you really want to do this publicly?

[ByzantineKnight]

FoS: Winston Hughes, Greyblades, Jarema

Not that I want Pizza alive by any means but these stuck out to me as the weirdest/scummiest reasons for wanting him dead

[Greyblades]

Hi. I'm a dead townie. How are you?

And I dont particlarly want Pizza dead.

[ByzantineKnight]

Hi. I'm a dead townie. How are you?

And I dont particlarly want Pizza dead.

oh my mistake...

I've been working the past few days and havn't been able to keep as close an eye on the game as I wish I could have which is also why I didn't vote the round before last

but I am actually doing quite well, thanks for asking!

[Winston Hughes]

Not that I want Pizza alive by any means but these stuck out to me as the weirdest/scummiest reasons for wanting him dead

Care to elaborate on that?

[ULC]

...Are you being serious? Firstly its a theory that's all. Secondly no its not impossible to win; all they would have to do is kill pizza before killing samus. Thirdly yeah its in my power, The fact that your even disputing this means your actually listening to me so I'm making at least some impact on the game, also I'm on the replacement list and there have been afew people inactive so its likely I'll be back in the game in a turn or two. Next time you want to tell me what I can and cant do; think about it first.

I'm sorry but what? I wasn't specifically talking about you, but okay, here we go...

Pizza needs to kill Samus and Dark Samus, so do you. Thus, goals seem intially compatible, but Pizza claims neutrality, and thus you claim he will win when both Samus's are dead. He does this when he either votes for the lynch of a Samus or kills them personally, which is has a high chance of happening simply if Pizza votes for whomever gets lynched every round. Pizza has to do nothing that a normal townie wouldn't.

You're basically saying that the only way the town could ever win is if they managed to find ATPG before Dark Samus and Samus, whom the town knows are the antagonists and thus are to be lynched and where the town almost always kills scum when they find them. So the town NEVER had any realistic chance of winning, ever, by your logic. Do you not see how this is entirely USELESS to consider? Think first yourself, before you prove that you aren't trustworthy.

[Greyblades]

oh my mistake...

I've been working the past few days and havn't been able to keep as close an eye on the game as I wish I could have which is also why I didn't vote the round before last

but I am actually doing quite well, thanks for asking!

Great to hear, small update; pizza is claiming to be ridley and is supposedly a serial killer role that needs to kill 2 people .

[ByzantineKnight]

Care to elaborate on that?

The post I quoted but also the posts leading up to it, they were random and erratic, it just struck the wrong chord...

Pizza needs to kill Samus and Dark Samus, so do you. Thus, goals seem intially compatible, but Pizza claims neutrality, and thus you claim he will win when both Samus's are dead. He does this when he either votes for the lynch of a Samus or kills them personally, which is has a high chance of happening simply if Pizza votes for whomever gets lynched every round. Pizza has to do nothing that a normal townie wouldn't.

You're basically saying that the only way the town could ever win is if they managed to find ATPG before Dark Samus and Samus, whom the town knows are the antagonists and thus are to be lynched and where the town almost always kills scum when they find them. So the town NEVER had any realistic chance of winning, ever, by your logic. Do you not see how this is entirely USELESS to consider? Think first yourself, before you prove that you aren't trustworthy.

EDIT:

Great to hear, small update; pizza is claiming to be ridley and is supposedly a serial killer role that needs to kill 2 people .

Oh, I definitely caught that part but who wants him dead more than Samus's team right now?

Interesting, I was just reading the mafia quicktopic from Star Wars (posts 62-65)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

And please stop using they when talking about the town, it sounds like you're not a part of it...
This one will kill you if they get a case on you later on. I think editing that one away the next day, when this part is old is best. The late editing time is a sure scummy sign, but the "they" is more obvious and almost as strong.
Didn't notice it without the extra pointing out by ATPG, so there's hope that it will go unnoticed for now.

Mmm.

I'll refrain from making such comments (neutrality after all) but that was one example where I couldn't help but giggle.

I'm notorious for picking on a certain aspect of that post, in any game where I see that aspect from any post. But if you don't know what it is, and they don't know what it is, and no one has mentioned it, you're fine.

Just a thought

[Greyblades]

I'm sorry but what? I wasn't specifically talking about you, but okay, here we go...

Pizza needs to kill Samus and Dark Samus, so do you. Thus, goals seem intially compatible, but Pizza claims neutrality, and thus you claim he will win when both Samus's are dead. He does this when he either votes for the lynch of a Samus or kills them personally, which is has a high chance of happening simply if Pizza votes for whomever gets lynched every round. Pizza has to do nothing that a normal townie wouldn't.

You're basically saying that the only way the town could ever win is if they managed to find ATPG before Dark Samus and Samus, whom the town knows are the antagonists and thus are to be lynched and where the town almost always kills scum when they find them. So the town NEVER had any realistic chance of winning, ever, by your logic. Do you not see how this is entirely USELESS to consider? Think first yourself, before you prove that you aren't trustworthy.

All I have been saying has been under the assumption that my theory is correct, I do not think that it is the only possible outcome nor even the most likely. Yet you seem to be under the impression that I believe my theory is infallible and the truth. In this case I reitorate what I said earlier: "it's a worrying thought." Thats all it was; a thought, a "what if he doesnt turn out to be telling the complete truth, what if he's lying?", A lie which, if so, you by the way seem to be swallowing hook line and sinker.

Oh and as for myself I am a dead townie. I cant be thought of as untrustworthy because it is fully proven that I am a town. I will admit I might not be helpful, I damn well am not infallible but trustworthy enough to not intentionally hinder the town? Call me arrogant but I think I have reason to claim that at least.

My response to the logic part will come in a minute, I have to calm down.

Edit: Ok, happy thoughts, happy thoughts.
You're basically saying that the only way the town could ever win is if they managed to find ATPG before Dark Samus and Samus,
I never said that it was a good theory but is it realy unreasonable for the town to get the psychopath before the mafia? Besides I might be wrong, maybe ridley would just fly off not thinking the town is worth the effort of killing, maybe he toys with the crew, I just thought killing you all seemed like the most likely.

whom the town knows are the antagonists
True.

and thus are to be lynched and where the town almost always kills scum when they find them.
In a rubicon style game its less likely, we're considering not killing a self confessed SK aren't we?

So the town NEVER had any realistic chance of winning, ever, by your logic.
All they had to do was kill one guy before finishing the game to win. Shouldnt be that hard with all the night kills flying around. Heck we havent even got proof that atpg wasn't bluffing about being NK immune.

Do you not see how this is entirely USELESS to consider?
No, I have encountered joker roles being issued by veteran hosts, such a role isnt inpossible.

[Renata]

@All
Anyone else received the pizzaguy blackmail treatment tonight?

@Beskar
Do you really want to do this publicly?

Please do. Some of us need the entertainment, whatever it is.

[TinCow]

ATPG, some day you're going to have to explain to me how you always get so many people to believe your ridiculous role claims.

[Winston Hughes]

The post I quoted but also the posts leading up to it, they were random and erratic, it just struck the wrong chord...

Please explain how my posts were random and erratic.

[Renata]

ATPG, some day you're going to have to explain to me how you always get so many people to believe your ridiculous role claims.

I think he just talks so much that it all blurs together and people figure if they just nod and say "OK Pizza" it'll all go away.

[ByzantineKnight]

Please explain how my posts were random and erratic.

You voted different people without sticking to one for too long and never gave a really good reason

[Greyblades]

Ugh, why do I always get too involved in games I have little inportance in? I'm dead and I'm coming up with conspiricy theory level ideas and making small disagreements ridiculously overblown .

Please do. Some of us need the entertainment, whatever it is.

What you dont think me throwing poop around the monkey cage is good entertainment?

[Winston Hughes]

You voted different people without sticking to one for too long and never gave a really good reason

Huh? What better reasons did most other people give? As I recall, several people gave no reason at all...

And since when is it a mark of scumminess to change your mind when you happen on a better argument?

[ByzantineKnight]

Huh? What better reasons did most other people give? As I recall, several people gave no reason at all...

And since when is it a mark of scumminess to change your mind when you happen on a better argument?

a better argument sure, but not one thats just as odd

I don't have anything concrete obviously, I'm just saying your posts rubbed me the wrong way, thats all

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think he just talks so much that it all blurs together and people figure if they just nod and say "OK Pizza" it'll all go away.

Plus he makes you feel like you're being mean to him when you act skeptical.

[Winston Hughes]

a better argument sure, but not one thats just as odd

Please explain how my argument was odd.

I don't have anything concrete obviously, I'm just saying your posts rubbed me the wrong way, thats all

I feel the same about yours here, especially in the context of your general 'keep a low profile' approach to the game.

I count two posts before tonight: a first day nonsense-vote on Beskar, and an explanation-free vote on Jarema yesterday.

[ByzantineKnight]

Please explain how my argument was odd.



I feel the same about yours here, especially in the context of your general 'keep a low profile' approach to the game.

I count two posts before tonight: a first day nonsense-vote on Beskar, and an explanation-free vote on Jarema yesterday.

I voted for Jarema because he was right above me when I voted and he didn't have any votes on him. I hadn't paid enough attention to the game to justify voting for one of the top candidates at that point. As I explained to greyblades, I haven't been able to keep up with the game up till now.

[Winston Hughes]

I voted for Jarema because he was right above me when I voted and he didn't have any votes on him. I hadn't paid enough attention to the game to justify voting for one of the top candidates at that point. As I explained to greyblades, I haven't been able to keep up with the game up till now.

Well, now you've decided to get involved, how's about answering my question, and explaining what exactly was odd about my posts?

And, while you're at it, it'd be interesting to hear what Jarema and Greyblades did to provoke your FoSing them...

[thefluffyone93]

Unless I missed something due to me playing Black Ops,
don't we still have a certain pokemon running around?

[ByzantineKnight]

Well, now you've decided to get involved, how's about answering my question, and explaining what exactly was odd about my posts?

And, while you're at it, it'd be interesting to hear what Jarema and Greyblades did to provoke your FoSing them...

I did, I found them odd and erratic, they rubbed me the wrong way. that is it

The see the original post, I had a link to the posts if you hover over their names. I thought they were trying a little too hard/obviously to get rid of pizza

[Jarema]

. I thought they were trying a little too hard/obviously to get rid of pizza

I must confess that ATPG is the player that I am affraid of the most. No-one is so frightful to me as he is. So, when it turns out that he is a SK of a sort, I just shiver

[ULC]

The post I quoted but also the posts leading up to it, they were random and erratic, it just struck the wrong chord...



EDIT:


Oh, I definitely caught that part but who wants him dead more than Samus's team right now?

Interesting, I was just reading the mafia quicktopic from Star Wars (posts 62-65)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Just a thought

I was never really part of the town, I was as survivalist, a mafia recruit waiting to happen. You can thank the very mafia which could have recruited, for killing me. At this point I am simply disinterested in whom wins - I play for fun so when the game becomes empty of fun, so does my care cup. I am only stating what I know, information to be used by anyone, and limited by what the host will let me do.

If you want to accuse a dead townie survivalist of being mafia next time, I suggest you pay attention to how I actually play as a mafioso.

All I have been saying has been under the assumption that my theory is correct, I do not think that it is the only possible outcome nor even the most likely. Yet you seem to be under the impression that I believe my theory is infallible and the truth. In this case I reitorate what I said earlier: "it's a worrying thought." Thats all it was; a thought, a "what if he doesnt turn out to be telling the complete truth, what if he's lying?", A lie which, if so, you by the way seem to be swallowing hook line and sinker.

Oh and as for myself I am a dead townie. I cant be thought of as untrustworthy because it is fully proven that I am a town. I will admit I might not be helpful, I damn well am not infallible but trustworthy enough to not intentionally hinder the town? Call me arrogant but I think I have reason to claim that at least.

My response to the logic part will come in a minute, I have to calm down.

Edit: Ok, happy thoughts, happy thoughts.
You're basically saying that the only way the town could ever win is if they managed to find ATPG before Dark Samus and Samus,
I never said that it was a good theory but is it realy unreasonable for the town to get the psychopath before the mafia? Besides I might be wrong, maybe ridley would just fly off not thinking the town is worth the effort of killing, maybe he toys with the crew, I just thought killing you all seemed like the most likely.

whom the town knows are the antagonists
True.

and thus are to be lynched and where the town almost always kills scum when they find them.
In a rubicon style game its less likely, we're considering not killing a self confessed SK aren't we?

So the town NEVER had any realistic chance of winning, ever, by your logic.
All they had to do was kill one guy before finishing the game to win. Shouldnt be that hard with all the night kills flying around. Heck we havent even got proof that atpg wasn't bluffing about being NK immune.

Do you not see how this is entirely USELESS to consider?
No, I have encountered joker roles being issued by veteran hosts, such a role isnt inpossible.

You're still not getting the point of what I am trying to tell you. Do you know it's useless to theorize about the forging techniques used in the construction of an executioner's axe as it barrels it's way through spine on it's way to your throat and out the other side? Do you know it is equally pointless to ruminate on things that you were doomed on the outset from and that you have no control over? Why worry yourself about things you cannot control? It's pointless, go use your brain power elsewhere more constructive.

Also, untrustworthy is subjective - do I trust a fool with construction equipment? No, he could kill himself, despite the best of intentions. Likewise, just because a townie is innocent doesn't mean everything he say's is trustworthy, or what help he would offer is either.

[Greyblades]

What a charming, yet confusing, metaphor, couldnt you just ask "why are you concerned seeing as its not your problem"?, and by the way I'm concerned because I'm going to be chucked into the middle of it again in a turn. Oh and the reason I'm dwelling on my "doom"? I'm debating whether or not to keep pizza around now I know he's ridley, last thing I need is getting screwed out of a victory by helping the SK. The theory was just an idea I had on why a serial killer would only want to kill 2 people.

[Winston Hughes]

This has to be one of the weirder situations I've experienced in mafia. I've been told in advance that I'm going to be murdered by an SK who is known to everyone, but who still won't be lynched even when I turn up innocent. And my only alternative is to reveal my identity to somebody about whom I have a rather serious suspicion, and who seems to be hiding from me to avoid explaining himself.

Time's running out, Beskar...