[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[Winston Hughes]

If you tell me who you are in private, and agree to be inactive tonight, I will scan you rather than kill you.

Otherwise this principled stand against cooperating with a serial killer sounds a whole lot like rubbish. People come up with some awfully bizarre and one-game-only principles when they're guilty.

One game only?

I'm always like this. It's just that I'm not normally forced into being so public with it (remember Frodo?)

And, no, Mr Scummo, I will not reveal anything to you in private. Just go ahead and kill me.

[TinCow]

On night two I used my Metamorph ability on Beskar, and gained the Plasma Cannon ability, which kills with a Fire-Based attack.

And.... there we go. At last, Beskar is finally undone by his impatience in revealing me after N1. If he had just waited a single night to report his mafia partner's result, he could have at least claimed the 'detective' had scanned him. But he didn't, and his relationship with the 'detective' made no sense. And he got scanned by a townie for it. And now he's dead.

Like I said, mafia fratricide FTW!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Secondly, when I revealed to Beskar, he didn't reveal me immediately to the town, as most ordinary townies or mafia would. If he were a Samus mafia he'd have an interest in destroying me, especially since I told him outright that was my mission.

I think town would be likely to reveal you. Why would mafia destroy you if he can influence you and isn't threatened by you?

There are writeup clues which prove that he was elsewhere when the Samus mafia and Dark Samus mafia were attacking.

Not all of the mafia have to attack.

His claim to me, which only happened under pressure, reveals that he has some abilities and they are verifiable. I can have him scanned to make certain, but I also see them in the writeup, so I don't need to.

The mafia have abilities.

I do have a concern that mesomorph sounds like a scum ability. I suppose it is possible that we are sitting on two scum. But mostly I'm leaning to saying pizza should scan someone or kill frozen, and then we should lynch beskar.

[Askthepizzaguy]

One game only?

I'm always like this. It's just that I'm not normally forced into being so public with it.

And, no, Mr Scummo, I will not reveal anything to you in private. Just go ahead and kill me.

I'm calling your bluff. If you hadn't acted so nervous and hesitant until now, this would be believable.

Good night, sweet prince.

[Renata]

Blah, Pizza, you know better than that. "Be inactive or else" threats only work when your target is actually threatened by it. You got lucky with me because I actually could NOT both be inactive and have Dark Samus out killing. If you're wrong about Winston, it is the trivialist of trivialities for Samus to simply refrain from killing for one night and extend the WIFOM about all of you for another day.

If you're that suspicious of him, just kill him and live with the consequences.

Edit: well, all righty, that works.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That may be good too. I'm feeling happier and happier with "they're both scum".

[Winston Hughes]

I'm calling your bluff. If you hadn't acted so nervous and hesitant until now, this would be believable.

You really can't read me at all, can you?

[Askthepizzaguy]

You really can't read me at all, can you?

You claim that death is the end of the road for you, but you're not willing to describe an icon, or be inactive for a single night, to save the game for you.

Well mister Winston, I do believe one of two things is likely here.

1. You are indeed mafia, and you absolutely cannot be caught inactive tonight.
2. Your claim is at least partly true, and I take you at your word. That means you're a recruitable person with a steal ability and a kill ability.

You've given me no reason to leave you alive. No one should shed a tear for you, not one more than they would shed for me.

Read you or not, your story if true, is still enough to make you burn.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Oh he never did describe the icon.

[Reenk Roink]

Ugh, I am falling behind. From my jist of things, Winston is likely not team Dark Samus, though the cases on him being other things vary in other degree. This would have all worked out better if I had successfully killed you on the first night...

I don't get the case on Frozen on Ice at all, can someone make it in clear terms here?

Kill Beskar no matter what. Because even though there is an entire line of argument that he is nothing more than a mouthpiece, he is a major distraction. One of the 'good' townie deaths if he dies.

[Romanic]

I'm reading that Winston "stole" a power from Beskar. Is this right, or is it rather a copy?

In others words, according to you Winston, will Beskar still have the Plasma Cannon ability?

[Winston Hughes]

Oh he never did describe the icon.

Since you ask...

It runs diagonally from top right to bottom left, with the barrel (the thinner bit) bottom left. It's a silvery colour, with indented areas of dark red, on a black background.

[Romanic]

I don't get the case on Frozen on Ice at all, can someone make it in clear terms here?

Autolycus said he's fairly certain that Frozen in Ice is mafia, based on something he cannot discuss (because he's dead). That's pretty much it.

[Winston Hughes]

I'm reading that Winston "stole" a power from Beskar. Is this right, or is it rather a copy?

In others words, according to you Winston, will Beskar still have the Plasma Cannon ability?

Yes, he will still have the ability.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh he never did describe the icon.

Keep in mind, I am just looking for excuses not to kill this guy, because even if he IS a recruitable with steal/kill, it's possible for him to prove outright that he's not Samus. And it would even be possible to prove he's not the one doing the killing at night. All I want is a way to prove he's not Samus/corrupted pikachu/etc. Even if he is scum or potential scum, he's still not as high a priority target as the most powerful mafioso in the game remaining, or actively killing mafiosi, who are the ones who started out as mafia.

It doesn't matter if he's recruitable if the actual mafia are wiped out; he will be less powerful than the starting mafia and he's already exposed. They're a priority. He's less of a threat than the unknown.

[Winston Hughes]

Keep in mind, I am just looking for excuses not to kill this guy

You've spent the whole night looking for reasons to kill me.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So you scan him, and winston stays inactive? Sounds good. Even if the mafia frame him they have to skip a kill.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You've spent the whole night looking for reasons to kill me.

I could have just killed you without asking questions.

As it stands, you're admitting that you're recruitable, have the power to copy abilities, and have a killing power, and that's if I take you at face value. Even if I decide not to kill you, this stuff is better off being known by the town, because that puts a huge dent in your ability to harm them if you do get recruited.

You're going to need to die eventually, like me; probably after Samus dies, and pikachu dies. But I'd be willing to put off such a death if you'd be willing to... be inactive.

[Romanic]

Maybe it's just me but if I stole a Plasma Cannon from Beskar, I would have kept my mouth shut about it and gone PEW PEW PEW on Pizza or Beskar tonight.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So you scan him, and winston stays inactive? Sounds good. Even if the mafia frame him they have to skip a kill.

The whole point of this is that a truly innocent townie has recourse, and, even if I'm dead wrong about everything, we either learn something, or there's one less death.

In fact, there's one less death that's very important to Winston; his own. Which he claims is his top priority. Why wouldn't he be willing to agree? Principles?

People are willing to die for their principles, and I'm willing to kill an uncooperative recruitable person with steal and kill powers. No matter what happens, everything I've done has been a good move this round.

Winston hasn't agreed to go inactive.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Maybe it's just me but if I stole a Plasma Cannon from Beskar, I would have kept my mouth shut about it and gone PEW PEW PEW on Pizza or Beskar tonight.

You'd have to ask the defender to stop defending Beskar first, for the record.

[Romanic]

You'd have to ask the defender to stop defending Beskar first, for the record.

A minor technicality. The end result isn't as important as the satisfaction of firing the big gun at the enemy.

[Winston Hughes]

I could have just killed you without asking questions.

Except you would have had to explain a dead townie to the mob tomorrow.

As it stands, you're admitting that you're recruitable, have the power to copy abilities, and have a killing power, and that's if I take you at face value.

And the penny begins to drop...

But I'd be willing to put off such a death if you'd be willing to... be inactive.

Nah. The only reason for me to live is so I can use my ability to learn something about someone else tonight (I already have a target).

[Beskar]

I don't know of any ability called Plasma cannon.

[Winston Hughes]

You'd have to ask the defender to stop defending Beskar first, for the record.

I could try to kill you.

But, oh, you know which defence to use.

[Winston Hughes]

I don't know of any ability called Plasma cannon.

Another lie.

[Beskar]

Another lie.

No it isn't. I can prove it, but it would be against the rules.

Only liar here is you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nah. The only reason for me to live is so I can use my ability to learn something about someone else tonight (I already have a target).

Cool. So when I explain the dead townie tomorrow, I'll point out that you weren't willing to clear yourself of being Samus.

Which, by the way, you sound an awful lot like; see the ability you describe is EXACTLY what the description for "fire strike" is. I have "fire strike"

I also know of someone else who has "fire strike" and it matches exactly.

But for you, it's called "Plasma cannon". Why is that?

http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Plasma_Beam

The icon you're talking about appears in this article.


Now, if you're telling the truth in all this, and your character doesn't match a Samus-like character such as a Metroid bounty hunter-type, then there is no reason for the name change.

That would also mean that Beskar is likely Samus. I'm willing to find out one way or the other.

[Winston Hughes]

I'm willing to find out one way or the other.

You know I'm innocent now. You're just hoping they'll lynch Beskar before you.

[Romanic]

You know someone else who has a killing ability?

And I suppose you will tell us this person is Town.