[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[Double A]

Double A, what reason do you have for putting JHT up the top? You really didn't see the player list?

I just scanned down until I saw someone I wanted to random vote for that wasn't Beefy.

[ULC]

It's probably 2/20 or something. Still better than 2/47.

Or whatever number of anti-town forces we have in this game.

Random numbers aren't as random as you try to make them appear.

[Skooma Addict]

I just scanned down until I saw someone I wanted to random vote for that wasn't Beefy.

Similar to what I did except I looked for someone other then you. I decided to give you a break this game from my constant day 1 hounding.

[Rebel Jeb]

Signing in. Vote: Double A <3

[johnhughthom]

I just scanned down until I saw someone I wanted to random vote for that wasn't Beefy.

So in other words not a random vote at all.

Vote:Winston Hughes

[Chaotix]

As of now, all role PMs have finally been sent out.

I apologize for the delay; it was really poor preparation on my part.

This means that the phase will end at this time tomorrow- approximately 8 PM GMT-5 where I am.

[Double A]

So in other words not a random vote at all.

Vote:Winston Hughes

My attitude was random.

[Motep]

Vote:Abstain

That having been said, Hello.

[landlubber]

Vote: Abstain.

[ULC]

Unvote:, Vote: JTH

Why? 4 way tie no thank you. out of everyone else I prefer JTH to be lynched.

[Seon]

I really think we should kill the guy named Abstain.

He stole my present... I still remember the day...

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Umm... I mean...err

[johnhughthom]

Unvote:, Vote: JTH

Why? 4 way tie no thank you. out of everyone else I prefer JTH to be lynched.

I agree, lets lynch this JTH character, he sounds very dodgy to me.

[Beskar]

Don't kill Johnhughthom, he will come back and snark you!

[PershsNhpios]

Thank you woad&fangs, I did it for you.

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4 johnhughtom (ATPG, Winston Hughes, Double A, YLC)

3 ATPG (Thefluffyone93, Jarema, Yaropolk)

3 YLC (Choxorn, Beefy187, Ironside)

3 Double A (Nightbringer, Classical Hero, Rebel Jeb)

2 A.C.I.N. (TinCow, God Emperor)

2 AKWC88 (Robbiecon, Greyblades)

2 Classical Hero (Renata, Beskar)

2 Glenn (dcmort93, woad&fangs)

1 Nictel (autolycus)

1 Insanious (pevergreen)

1 Skooma (Diamondeye)

1 Choxorn (A.C.I.N.)

1 TinCow (Cecil XIX)

1 Beskar (Secura)

1 Khazaar (Khazaar)

1 Captain Blackadder (Frozen In Ice)

1 pevergreen (Insanious)

1 Beefy187 (Skooma Addict)

1 Winston Hughes (johnhughtom)

7 Abstaining (ReenkR, Glenn, Seon, Nictel, Csargo, Motep, landlubber)

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I think there is a precedent for ties being decided by the fact that a player's name or abbreviation was misspelt - better edit that AA!

Thank you for answering Double A, but surely you knew that you were making a bandwagon on another player - I doubt you are mafia, but I doubt you voted randomly.

If ATPG is being bandwagoned because of his High Profile (see glossary), please remember that strong pro-town roles are easily and stupidly wasted this way...

Otherwise I agree with those couple who were dubious of 'day 1' logic.

Also to the one who said something along the lines of "Most active on day 1 will be most likely major roles because townie PMs are sent out later" - good point but remember Chaotix' post which stated that anyone could attain their basic role from him early by sending him a message. So anyone interested in the game could justifiably be active early.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

For a change, I suggest a genuine random lynch day 1. I just did a random.org and it returned "3".

vote:askthepizzaguy

[johnhughthom]

Don't kill Johnhughthom, he will come back and snark you!

Didn't stop you trying in Star Wars...

[Beskar]

Didn't stop you trying in Star Wars...

Well, that was because you was mean to me.

[Death is yonder]

I really think we should kill the guy named Abstain.

He stole my present... I still remember the day...

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Umm... I mean...err

Precisely! Good thinking my man!

Vote: Seon

[Motep]

Unvote, Vote: Kojiro

classic name, not on the list. Cant let that happen.

[Double A]

Fine, Glenn, I'll go to random.org.

13.

unvote, vote: dcmort93

[ByzantineKnight]

Vote: Beskar because he's above me on the list

[Askthepizzaguy]

Fine, Glenn, I'll go to random.org.

13.

unvote, vote: dcmort93

unvote, vote: Double A

Not that I have a lot of choice in the matter.

[PershsNhpios]

All this 'random' voting is a lot of pith and vinegar.

That's a highly coincedental vote for an incedental vote, Sasaki...

For what it's worth as they say, I believe Double A to innocent.


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4 Double A (Nightbringer, Classical Hero, Rebel Jeb, ATPG)

4 ATPG (Thefluffyone93, Jarema, Yaropolk, Sasaki)

3 YLC (Choxorn, Beefy187, Ironside)

3 AKWC88 (Robbiecon, Greyblades, Glenn)

2 johnhughtom (Winston Hughes, YLC)

2 A.C.I.N. (TinCow, God Emperor)

2 Classical Hero (Renata, Beskar)

2 Glenn (dcmort93, woad&fangs)

1 Nictel (autolycus)

1 Insanious (pevergreen)

1 Skooma (Diamondeye)

1 Choxorn (A.C.I.N.)

1 TinCow (Cecil XIX)

1 Beskar (Secura, ByzantineKnight)

1 Khazaar (Khazaar)

1 Captain Blackadder (Frozen In Ice)

1 pevergreen (Insanious)

1 Beefy187 (Skooma Addict)

1 Winston Hughes (johnhughtom)

1 Seon (DeathisYonder)

1 Sasaki Kojiro (Motep)

1 dcmort93 (Double A)

5 Abstaining (ReenkR, Seon, Nictel, Csargo, landlubber)


41/47 players having voted this round

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It looks like "Random.org" is 'randomly' attempting to keep the tie.

EDIT: Looking at the post count, I am going to Unvote; Vote: AKWC88 in direct obedience to a primary rule; Lynch the lurkers; since AKWC has been active since the game started but hasn't yet made an effort.
Come on round Warman and I will remove my vote.

[autolycus]

I don't think Atpg should be in our first day tie. The man just finished running an absolutely epic game for us, the least we can do is let him play beyond the first day in the next game. Personal preference in who I like to play with in the list of people with more than one vote on them leads me to say unvote: Nictel, vote:AntiKingWarmanCake88

[Askthepizzaguy]

For what it's worth as they say, I believe Double A to innocent.

What are you basing that on?


Also please note; tie in name only. Double A has the advantage over me in that regard, since he has a free vote.

I don't think Atpg should be in our first day tie. The man just finished running an absolutely epic game for us, the least we can do is let him play beyond the first day in the next game

This still smells like metagaming to me. It won't break my heart to sit out a big game once in a while.

[PershsNhpios]

I base that on my opinion his behaviour only. It isn't much, but it's more than I can say for the other candidates for lynch.

I also wouldn't like to see Double A lynched because I don't think it's possible to prove anyone guilty on day 1; I disapprove of randomly lynching someone since this directly favours the mafia; and I would prefer to see deliberate lurkers lynched.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I base that on my opinion his behaviour only. It isn't much, but it's more than I can say for the other candidates for lynch.

I also wouldn't like to see Double A lynched because I don't think it's possible to prove anyone guilty on day 1; I disapprove of randomly lynching someone since this directly favours the mafia; and I would prefer to see deliberate lurkers lynched.

Difficult to base an analysis on round one behavior. Only time I saw behavior-based voting on round one was the ATPG mafia. I believe Sasaki went after Jolt because of the way he reacted to pressure. I do not believe any significant pressure has been applied to anyone yet. I think such analysis will be flawed. Random has the advantage of not being biased and will utterly ignore deceptive tactics.

I'm not sold on Double A; the only reason I am voting him is because that is the best option available to me due to the votes on myself. I would prefer to lynch a candidate which I chose based on nothing in particular; voting someone because of pressure on me is a bad choice. My other options are to ignore it, which I know will leave zero pressure on any actual mafia, or to withdraw my defense and simply accept being the D1 lynch, which I've done in the past and typically adds more to the bandwagon on myself. After lecturing others on the pointlessness of big wagons in the last game, I am loathe to put one on myself round 1 based on old habits.

Instincts tell me odds of lynching scum are lower in the current vote setup where one of the two tied parties can break the tie in his favor. There's just no way that's tactically advantageous to the town. Not much I can do about it here either, except point it out.

[Double A]

Well, Chaotix doesn't allow no lynch. I will keep my vote off of Pizzaguy for now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, Chaotix doesn't allow no lynch. I will keep my vote off of Pizzaguy for now.

Voting Warman or YLC instead of you still has the problem of I am only voting for them because they aren't me.

I'd much prefer to just vote for the person I legitimately picked out of a hat, and accept the consequences.

unvote, vote: Johnhughthom

[PershsNhpios]

Thank you for your thoughts ATPG, I admit some of my attitudes have probably rubbed from Sasaki, since he applied the same method to me in my first game of Capo II, when I was very new, impatient and antagonistic.

I agree with what you wrote, no one can disagree with someone who wants to survive, since that is the objective.

I put my vote on the candidate who is a best at mafioso trying to avoid gaining a profile and at least utterly useless to the town.

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Questions for the host: Will alignment be revealed on death; what is the result of a tie vote?