[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[Motep]

Classical_hero is still alive, isn't he? What about Johnhughthom? How about Beefy? I haven't ensured the death of anyone so far. It's not a foregone conclusion on Nictel either.

Fun, no?

I try not to lynch people for being a lurker-style player; I try to lynch people for subtle behavioral abnormalities. The ones that demonstrate a different brain wave pattern from normal, while still attempting to behave normally and failing at it in small ways.

A good tactic, and I would employ it if I had experience with these people to go by. But, I guess I just suck soo much that it strangles me and threatens to kill everyone around me. So, even if I did have experience, it would be moot.

I could live with being lynched based on the premise that my behavior is a probable strategy I'd use if I were mafia. It's a weak case, and a wrong one, but at least it's an attempt at solving the game through thinking instead of randomness.

Ah, but if you were mafia....this is how you would act. So, we cannot exactly trust your claims of innocence, now can we?

It is. However, the point is not whether or not your case lacks logic; the point is, is the case correct or not?

time will tell, and only time. Nothing is certain.

In my case, no. You're off target here. No amount of good logic could save your case. No amount of bad logic will make it any worse. However, if you wanted to lynch someone, I would suggest making sure the logic adds up first; people do respond to that, especially when they're indecisive. Case in point; this round itself.

Dirty little secret: Not everything you say has to make sense or be accurate to matter. What matters is where your vote ends up, and who gets lynched. If I had to lie through my teeth and speak gibberish in order to get votes on the correct candidates, that would still be a winning move. Putting a "case" together on someone has exactly one purpose; making your vote more appealing for others to follow. It has no impact on the rightness or wrongness of your vote.

And that's coming from me, mister giganti-case.

I have no power but what others give me. I don't actually control brain waves. If people want to ignore my cases they can do so. If they want to blame me alone when the cases turn out right or wrong, they may do so. However, this is still a democracy and they're entitled to ignore me and follow their own instincts. That's a nagging little piece of reality that no one likes to talk about because it involves owning one's own behavior, and that's just yicky. Blaming someone else is like delicious cake.

One of the main reasons I am doing this is to get these indecisive people to think for themselves instead of placing their trust in one person. But, if there is someone to trust, and you are actually not out to get us all, than I could see them doing much worse than you. Another reason is because it is fun. Another reason is because I need practice. Another reason is because I need something to do when my girlfriend is replying. The final reason, of course, is me putting off sleep as I still quest for food and need to think of what else I could eat in this foriegn house!!! They dont have any fruit....

EDIT: Screw it. She went to bed, the food here is pre-processed poo, I am tired, and I need to cram two weeks of homework into tomorrow afternoon. I would love to stay and chat, but I have better reasons to sleep than to stay. I hope you enjoy your sleep, and I hope you are not scum. Whether or not you are scum, you are a wonderful opponent, and well above my meagre abilities for such things. But if I don't put my foot in the water for fear of being embarassed by better swimmers, how will I ever become a better swimmer?

[DELETE_THIS]

Are you kidding me? Sorry that I have a life.
Vote: Askthepizzaguy Cause he is clearly trying to save his mafia buddy. Also your big posts day 2 are really strange you usually only start those when people are trying to lynch you, scared?

Furthermore I say we lynch everyone that voted for me. "Bandwagons are bad" "No don't vote tincow he only had an investigator say he was guilty" "I will not participate on a bandwagon against tincow" "tincow hasn't said anything lets not lynch him"

"Hey Nictel has only posted once on New years day. LETS ALL LYNCH HIM WITHOUT REASON!"

[Link]

No, check all of his posts.

Abstain, abstain, not contributing, posting and intentionally not voting. He's not absent, he's either not giving a darn or he's trying to avoid suspicion.

This happened before New Years, plus he doesn't get a pass if he shows up and still doesn't vote.

It's been two day phases and he's posted in both of them, to say nothing both times.

Good point. Then again, you could just be trying to save your scum buddy tincow with this wagon on Nictel. Vote: Abstain

[Greyblades]

Are you kidding me? Sorry that I have a life.
Vote: Askthepizzaguy Cause he is clearly trying to save his mafia buddy. Also your big posts day 2 are really strange you usually only start those when people are trying to lynch you, scared?

Furthermore I say we lynch everyone that voted for me. "Bandwagons are bad" "No don't vote tincow he only had an investigator say he was guilty" "I will not participate on a bandwagon against tincow" "tincow hasn't said anything lets not lynch him"

"Hey Nictel has only posted once on New years day. LETS ALL LYNCH HIM WITHOUT REASON!"

He's kinda got a point, it is odd that pizza goes on a lengthy tirade on only turn 2 when he's not being bandwagoned.

[Beskar]

The bandwagon is getting reversed?

So I put myself on the line in this game, to actually reveal this information on behalf of an investigator, just so we as the town can strike the mafia hard in day two and you just fail around like total n00bs?

If TinCow doesn't get lynched today, the town deserves to fail, because not lynching him he one of the most moronic moves in existence. We have pretty much 100% proof that TinCow is a mafia, and you are there, voting randomly on people who could just be a random n00b townie.

Sorry Chaotix, your game looks great so far, so nothing being said about you, but seriously town, it is not even funny, get your act together and stop being such fools.

VOTE: TINCOW
It's 99.99999% Certain he is mafia scum

[Secura]

Cause he is clearly trying to save his mafia buddy.

It's funny that you say this, because it's the exact feeling I had about someone else adamant about lynching you.

"I will not participate on a bandwagon against tincow"

Gameroom culture, unfortunately.

[pevergreen]

I'm sorry Beskar, the big words rule is already being used to get Double A lynched.

You're going to have to wait your turn.

[Beskar]

Let's look at some "arguments" which are so stupid, they need to be countered once and for all.

"Let's roleblock TinCow, and we can get information out of him!"

Why this is a very bad idea?
This is bad on multiple levels.
Who is the roleblocker, does he even exist? Why use up a roleblocker on a known mafia, when he could help against unknown mafia? What information would TinCow ever reveal which will serve any real purpose? "Oh no... don't kill me, I will give you the names of my mafia partners?" ?

"Those investigation results didn't reveal anything, lets ignore them"

This person is either trying to cover for the mafia or just dumb.
The results say "Corrupted Cloud Strife" "Phazon faction". We know the town is GF and Hero faction, and they are not one of them, and Phazon's are bad guys in the Metroid series. In short, the result says "TinCow (Mafia)". That is accurate enough for me and should be for any townie.


"The investigation might be a fake!!111eleven"

Well then, how do you test a fake?
BY LYNCHING THE SUSPECTED MAFIA, LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH, IF NOT MAFIA, LYNCH THE INVESTIGATOR!

[Diamondeye]

Gameroom culture, unfortunately.

I usually consider TinCow's posts as pure wisdom.
This does not impede the random.org's chance of making him part of a mafia faction. If he isn't, I'm going to know I can trust his posts fully. But I'm still going to vote him. I'd urge others to join in; part of the lesson ATPG ended SW:FOTO with about bandwagons is that unstoppable bandwagons are bad since they ruin a day's discussion. But it also says that once discussion's through and the day is drawing to a close, you should pick the best case and stick with it. The best case today is TinCow.

I detest the idea of lynching someone who's not responded at all, like Nictel. Yes, he might be mafia, but he's got a nerve to lie low like this. I think he's just absent, and could be any role, even a strong protown role. We wouldn't know, because he's silent. I remember starting a Lord Of The Rings game off like this (on CFC). The silent D1 lynch was Aragorn. I'd rather lynch an exposed member of a mafia team.

[pevergreen]

Unvote: Nictel

9 Nictel (ATPGuy, Winston Hughes, sasaki, TinCow, Beefy, YLC, cecil, Death is yonder, khaan)

9 TinCow (Beskar, Skooma Addict, autolycus, johnhughtom, Insanious, classical_hero, Secura, ironside, Diamondeye)

6 Glenn (Romanic, Frozen In Ice, Jarema, Double A, Rebel Jeb, woad&fangs)

1 Insanious (landlubber)

1 Rebel Jeb (Glenn)

1 Beskar (Yaropolk)

1 Thefluffyone (Thefluffyone)

1 ATPG (Motep [Did not unvote], Nictel)

1 Motep (God Emperor)

4 Abstaining (Nightbringer, Capt. Blackadder, Motep, Link)

Landlubber is scummy imo.

[Greyblades]

Hmph I've been looking over the posts from the last few days and I have to say I'm a little confused.
My ability (which I cant say anything about even though I'm technically a ghost who's allowed to talk to the town, does that mean death gives you a speech inpediment specificaly about roles?) was stolen and tincow says he has one that might be the same one, because of my impediment I cant confirm this but even if he did, say, know enough to convince me he has the same role, that doesn't mean anything because someone nicked it last night and would know about the ability.

So, theres a role running around with my ability who may be a mafia who can steal abilities of victims or someone else that can steal abilities from dead people. Actually now that I think about it doesn't samus have a tendancy to get new abilities from defeated abilities? Hmm now that I think about it maybe it was samus that killed me, thats interesting thought, a pro town power role kills me first turn when I was technically just a townie, that means I'm such a bad townie the vigilante killed me on the first turn.

Also Beskar claims to be working with someone with an investigator role, which I might or might not have had, so theres the possibility that he is being used by the guy who stole my power, if investigate was indeed was my ability, who might be a mafia who steals from his kills, an actual investigator, or samus.

[Secura]

Actually now that I think about it doesn't samus have a tendancy to get new abilities from defeated abilities?

As far as I can remember, considering my Wii's been gathering dust over the last year or so, that's not the case; in the Prime series at least, you seem to get new abilities before boss fights which will specifically require judicious the new ability in order to triumph, just like the Zelda games.

Hmm now that I think about it maybe it was samus that killed me, thats interesting thought, a pro town power role kills me first turn when I was technically just a townie, that means I'm such a bad townie the vigilante killed me on the first turn.

I think that it's already been theorised that Samus was one of the killers last night, so it's a possibility that she targetted you; however, I wouldn't say you're a bad townie based on being killed in the first phase... I'd guess it was just a random choice.

[Secura]

I usually consider TinCow's posts as pure wisdom.

I wholeheartedly agree with you, but what the Dickens has that got to do with anything when he's faced with a scan result that says he's mafia? Because he's a good contributor, we should leave him alive regardless of scan results against him?

I love the Gameroom, I really do, but this blind reverance of anything and everything that certain people say is just... frustrating as town or mafia; if it was Beskar revealed in such a manner as TinCow has been, people wouldn't be so hesistant to lynch him, would they?

This isn't a tirade against you DE, by the way. :/

The way that I see it, even if we lynched TinCow and it turned out that he was town, it wouldn't prevent him from contributing as the rules allow the dead to have their say as long as they don't reveal information they had prior to death; he could still chip in regarding lynches, his thoughts and such. He's still as influencial in death as he is in life, perhaps moreso because his role's been revealed and we know whether to trust him or not.

The only thing we lose, if he is town, is his scanning ability which apparantly isn't that much of a big deal anyway.

I detest the idea of lynching someone who's not responded at all, like Nictel.

Especially as it's just been the busiest holiday season of the year, I think the lurkers have to be given a little slack at this stage; it shouldn't and won't wash later in the game, though.

[God Emperor]

Unvote; Vote: Tincow , after speaking a bit with Beskar

[pevergreen]

Unvote; Vote: Tincow

Vote: Nictel

Lets go tie, lets go!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Are you kidding me? Sorry that I have a life.
Vote: Askthepizzaguy Cause he is clearly trying to save his mafia buddy. Also your big posts day 2 are really strange you usually only start those when people are trying to lynch you, scared?

Furthermore I say we lynch everyone that voted for me. "Bandwagons are bad" "No don't vote tincow he only had an investigator say he was guilty" "I will not participate on a bandwagon against tincow" "tincow hasn't said anything lets not lynch him"

"Hey Nictel has only posted once on New years day. LETS ALL LYNCH HIM WITHOUT REASON!"

I detest the idea of lynching someone who's not responded at all, like Nictel. Yes, he might be mafia, but he's got a nerve to lie low like this.

I dunno. I'd call the above a response. If Tincow wasn't the big alternative for today, and people were thinking with clearer heads, you'd probably agree with me that Nictel flinched.

All I can do is sigh and shake my head at the notion that I obviously must be Tincow's mafia partner. Because this is absolutely how I behave as mafia, which is risk my head to save my caught-by-investigator mafia partner, so I'll get scanned tonight and lynched as well tomorrow. That's absolutely something I would do as mafia, because it would.... have an ice cube's chance in hades of working.

I get that I do crazy gambits sometimes, but honestly folks, use your freaking heads please.

Tincow IS probably Mafia. And Beskar knows exactly what I was doing this round, which was trying to extract information from Tincow via the following strategy:

1. I act nice toward Tincow, and try to "save" him
2. Beskar plays bad cop, and puts pressure on him
3. We get someone to reveal that they are mafia to Tincow, with an offer of alliance.

See how TC reacts to this. My bet was he'd react to either 1, 2, or 3, I don't care how awesome he is at these games. It's too tempting to flinch.

Well guess what? Plan failed, and you want to know why? Because people don't have any patience or give me any credit for having an intelligent thought once in a while.

I also don't appreciate having alternative ideas being called dumb. Having a one-track mind in a mafia game is dumb, and demonstrably so.

Thanks for listening.

unvote

Do what you want. I don't care right now.

[DELETE_THIS]

I dunno. I'd call the above a response. If Tincow wasn't the big alternative for today, and people were thinking with clearer heads, you'd probably agree with me that Nictel flinched.

All I can do is sigh and shake my head at the notion that I obviously must be Tincow's mafia partner. Because this is absolutely how I behave as mafia, which is risk my head to save my caught-by-investigator mafia partner, so I'll get scanned tonight and lynched as well tomorrow.

In about 5 minutes I have a huge bandwagon on my roof, of course I react. ATPG you double-triple cross so many times it's hard to keep track of what 'your tactic' is. But yes you should be scanned.

[Askthepizzaguy]

In about 5 minutes I have a huge bandwagon on my roof, of course I react. ATPG you double-triple cross so many times it's hard to keep track of what 'your tactic' is. But yes you should be scanned.

So should you. You don't normally react this way, especially if you're a boring old townie.

Exactly what treasure did I uncover? I am anxious to find out. Rest assured, I will find out.