[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That is incorrect. Your reveal of Pizza guaranteed her lynch, before that, she wasn't most likely getting lynched at all.

I find this very doubtful, she was not acting her usual self this game and the reveal of pizza mainly convinced pizza I think, since revealing pizza was always the right move for mafia.

[Renata]

Yep, I'm always not my usual self when I'm mafia. Count on it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I find this very doubtful, she was not acting her usual self this game and the reveal of pizza mainly convinced pizza I think, since revealing pizza was always the right move for mafia.

It was the timing; I had JUST asked Renata to be inactive tonight while I had her scanned by a thermal scan. She said ok, and not much else. Then Tincow's reaction seemed, from my perspective, to be throwing me to the wolves for no reason in the middle of a round that had already been extended. The timing was really odd.

After reviewing my moves, I concluded that the most likely reason for all of this was that I got too close to forcing Dark Samus to be inactive at night. Either that or I had just revealed to one of TC's minions that passed it along to him in code.

If it was just really, really bad timing, goodie anyway; but that's what it looked like to me.

I tend to be suspicious of any reasonless sudden desire to kill me, no matter what excuses get thrown into the post which does it. Timing is very important; Sasaki suspecting me wasn't strange timing, he had been doing it for a while. Tincow's sudden reversal, and other people's, does not feel natural. Because it's not; changing your mind so dramatically in the middle of an extended round doesn't add up.

[Renata]

Wait was that round extended? Shows how out of it I was, I didn't even realize. What IS it with my mafia fate and extended rounds lately? It is always bad news, every single time.

[Ironside]

I tend to be suspicious of any reasonless sudden desire to kill me, no matter what excuses get thrown into the post which does it. Timing is very important; Sasaki suspecting me wasn't strange timing, he had been doing it for a while. Tincow's sudden reversal, and other people's, does not feel natural. Because it's not; changing your mind so dramatically in the middle of an extended round doesn't add up.

Particullary if it's mafia that does the reveal. I probably failed to get Chaotix lynched in FOTO because of that. That pursuit was mainly due to personal amusement and it showed imho.

Tincow's reveal on the other hand did feel forced, mainly due to timing.

Hard situation to get away from though, night killing ATPG or doing night WIFOM (Renata doing a night scan instead, for example) might've worked better.

Grayblades, if ATPG gets immune to lynch after achiving his objectives, this game is horribly unstable and quite unbalanced. He's supposed to be almost unkillable by night and you could have both Samus and Dark Samus dead by Day 2 if unlucky.

Wait was that round extended? Shows how out of it I was, I didn't even realize. What IS it with my mafia fate and extended rounds lately? It is always bad news, every single time.

True, indirectly costed us the game last time as well.

[Greyblades]

Grayblades, if ATPG gets immune to lynch after achiving his objectives, this game is horribly unstable and quite unbalanced. He's supposed to be almost unkillable by night and you could have both Samus and Dark Samus dead by Day 2 if unlucky.

It seems you misunderstood. Alas no I dont believe he will become nigh invincible, I believe with samus and dark samus dead the game will end. Without samus I doubt the socking great space dragon will need to hide any longer and will destroy the olympus in one move. In short Game ends, ridley wins due to no character remains that is strong enough to beat him.

[ULC]

It seems you misunderstood. Alas no I dont believe he will become nigh invincible, I believe with samus and dark samus dead the game will end. Without samus I doubt the socking great space dragon will need to hide any longer and will destroy the olympus in one move. In short Game ends, ridley wins due to no character remains that is strong enough to beat him.

Obviously he didn't, because that is exactly what he meant. You two are fighting over the means when the end is exactly the same result.

[Greyblades]

What? He thought I meant Ridley would become unlynchable until the game ends if samus dies whereas I'm saying he'll win the game if it happens.
As for the ends I'm pretty sure game over is a different end to having pizza taunting us for the rest of the game... Actually that sounds scarier than game over.

[Ironside]

What? He thought I meant Ridley would become unlynchable until the game ends if samus dies whereas I'm saying he'll win the game if it happens.
As for the ends I'm pretty sure game over is a different end to having pizza taunting us for the rest of the game... Actually that sounds scarier than game over.

They are in principle the same. If he's unkillable, you might as well end the game. Giving an extreme penalty for lucky and/or good townie play.