[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

**Ironside** · 01-06-2011, 16:43

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I tend to be suspicious of any reasonless sudden desire to kill me, no matter what excuses get thrown into the post which does it. Timing is very important; Sasaki suspecting me wasn't strange timing, he had been doing it for a while. Tincow's sudden reversal, and other people's, does not feel natural. Because it's not; changing your mind so dramatically in the middle of an extended round doesn't add up.

Particullary if it's mafia that does the reveal. I probably failed to get Chaotix lynched in FOTO because of that. That pursuit was mainly due to personal amusement and it showed imho.

Tincow's reveal on the other hand did feel forced, mainly due to timing.

Hard situation to get away from though, night killing ATPG or doing night WIFOM (Renata doing a night scan instead, for example) might've worked better.

Grayblades, if ATPG gets immune to lynch after achiving his objectives, this game is horribly unstable and quite unbalanced. He's supposed to be almost unkillable by night and you could have both Samus and Dark Samus dead by Day 2 if unlucky.

Originally Posted by Renata

Wait was that round extended? Shows how out of it I was, I didn't even realize. What IS it with my mafia fate and extended rounds lately? It is always bad news, every single time.

True, indirectly costed us the game last time as well.

**Greyblades** · 01-06-2011, 16:51

Grayblades, if ATPG gets immune to lynch after achiving his objectives, this game is horribly unstable and quite unbalanced. He's supposed to be almost unkillable by night and you could have both Samus and Dark Samus dead by Day 2 if unlucky.

It seems you misunderstood. Alas no I dont believe he will become nigh invincible, I believe with samus and dark samus dead the game will end. Without samus I doubt the socking great space dragon will need to hide any longer and will destroy the olympus in one move. In short Game ends, ridley wins due to no character remains that is strong enough to beat him.

**ULC** · 01-06-2011, 17:31

Originally Posted by Greyblades

It seems you misunderstood. Alas no I dont believe he will become nigh invincible, I believe with samus and dark samus dead the game will end. Without samus I doubt the socking great space dragon will need to hide any longer and will destroy the olympus in one move. In short Game ends, ridley wins due to no character remains that is strong enough to beat him.

Obviously he didn't, because that is exactly what he meant. You two are fighting over the means when the end is exactly the same result.

**Greyblades** · 01-06-2011, 17:37

What? He thought I meant Ridley would become unlynchable until the game ends if samus dies whereas I'm saying he'll win the game if it happens.
As for the ends I'm pretty sure game over is a different end to having pizza taunting us for the rest of the game... Actually that sounds scarier than game over.

**Ironside** · 01-06-2011, 18:13

Originally Posted by Greyblades

What? He thought I meant Ridley would become unlynchable until the game ends if samus dies whereas I'm saying he'll win the game if it happens.
As for the ends I'm pretty sure game over is a different end to having pizza taunting us for the rest of the game... Actually that sounds scarier than game over.

They are in principle the same. If he's unkillable, you might as well end the game. Giving an extreme penalty for lucky and/or good townie play.

**Greyblades** · 01-06-2011, 18:17

Still, it's a worrying thought.

**ULC** · 01-06-2011, 18:57

Originally Posted by Greyblades

Still, it's a worrying thought.

No, it's not, because it's not in you're power to change that. As town, you must eliminate the mafia, which are Samus and Dark Samus. These are also ATPG's victory conditions. Ergo, to win you have to fullfill ATPG's VC. Which by your logic, means the town would have never been able to win in the first place.