[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[ULC]

It seems you misunderstood. Alas no I dont believe he will become nigh invincible, I believe with samus and dark samus dead the game will end. Without samus I doubt the socking great space dragon will need to hide any longer and will destroy the olympus in one move. In short Game ends, ridley wins due to no character remains that is strong enough to beat him.

Obviously he didn't, because that is exactly what he meant. You two are fighting over the means when the end is exactly the same result.

[Greyblades]

What? He thought I meant Ridley would become unlynchable until the game ends if samus dies whereas I'm saying he'll win the game if it happens.
As for the ends I'm pretty sure game over is a different end to having pizza taunting us for the rest of the game... Actually that sounds scarier than game over.

[Ironside]

What? He thought I meant Ridley would become unlynchable until the game ends if samus dies whereas I'm saying he'll win the game if it happens.
As for the ends I'm pretty sure game over is a different end to having pizza taunting us for the rest of the game... Actually that sounds scarier than game over.

They are in principle the same. If he's unkillable, you might as well end the game. Giving an extreme penalty for lucky and/or good townie play.

[Greyblades]

Still, it's a worrying thought.

[ULC]

Still, it's a worrying thought.

No, it's not, because it's not in you're power to change that. As town, you must eliminate the mafia, which are Samus and Dark Samus. These are also ATPG's victory conditions. Ergo, to win you have to fullfill ATPG's VC. Which by your logic, means the town would have never been able to win in the first place.

[Greyblades]

...Are you being serious? Firstly its a theory that's all. Secondly no its not impossible to win; all they would have to do is kill pizza before killing samus. Thirdly yeah its in my power, The fact that your even disputing this means your actually listening to me so I'm making at least some impact on the game, also I'm on the replacement list and there have been afew people inactive so its likely I'll be back in the game in a turn or two. Next time you want to tell me what I can and cant do; think about it first.

[Winston Hughes]

@All
Anyone else received the pizzaguy blackmail treatment tonight?

@Beskar
Do you really want to do this publicly?

[ULC]

...Are you being serious? Firstly its a theory that's all. Secondly no its not impossible to win; all they would have to do is kill pizza before killing samus. Thirdly yeah its in my power, The fact that your even disputing this means your actually listening to me so I'm making at least some impact on the game, also I'm on the replacement list and there have been afew people inactive so its likely I'll be back in the game in a turn or two. Next time you want to tell me what I can and cant do; think about it first.

I'm sorry but what? I wasn't specifically talking about you, but okay, here we go...

Pizza needs to kill Samus and Dark Samus, so do you. Thus, goals seem intially compatible, but Pizza claims neutrality, and thus you claim he will win when both Samus's are dead. He does this when he either votes for the lynch of a Samus or kills them personally, which is has a high chance of happening simply if Pizza votes for whomever gets lynched every round. Pizza has to do nothing that a normal townie wouldn't.

You're basically saying that the only way the town could ever win is if they managed to find ATPG before Dark Samus and Samus, whom the town knows are the antagonists and thus are to be lynched and where the town almost always kills scum when they find them. So the town NEVER had any realistic chance of winning, ever, by your logic. Do you not see how this is entirely USELESS to consider? Think first yourself, before you prove that you aren't trustworthy.