[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[Yaropolk]

You could always do a public reveal, although it's not the best idea if you're of any value to the town.

[Winston Hughes]

You could always do a public reveal, although it's not the best idea if you're of any value to the town.

If a public reveal is what people want, then they should let me live long enough to face a lynch vote. I'm not letting Beskar off the hook for this.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Pizza shouldn't be killing based on private discussion. End of story.

[Winston Hughes]

Pizza shouldn't be killing based on private discussion. End of story.

Indeed.

By the way, you'll recall a PM I sent you early on in the game. I already knew the answer to that question, misleading as it was.

[Beskar]

Winston, get over yourself.

This is the sum of it. Winston is fishing for information which I am refusing to give to him for obvious reasons. He is doing the lamest attempt of "full reveal all to me now or I will expose you!".

Amused, I started to question his assertions.

Apparently, he claims he 'copied' a kill ability from me (originally, he apparently had 'all'), and he says I have to fully reveal or he will 'out' me. So entertaining this, I questioned "So, what is the name of this ability then?". He kept refusing to state what this imaginary ability is (since he evidently hasn't got it and doesn't exist). This carried on where he kept going "No! You full reveal or I expose you in thread!"

So I asked him, "So right, you copied a kill ability one of the mafia used?", he says "No.", so I ask "So you are accusing me of having a never seen before kill ability, that would be pretty unique. What is it?", he goes "Not telling you, full reveal now or I will say in thread". Then I question "So you are saying you trust me, but have 'doubts', want me to full reveal and give nothing in return, and you are a mafia suspect... so why?" and then he goes "You might kill people with impunity, that is scummy, no town would attempt to hide their abilities." ()

I was sat there thinking, "Who does he think I am, Tim Crow? No one is going to fall for this". Since I was playing Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 on Xbox at the time too, so they were annoyed I was distracted, I turned off my computer.

Come on to check thread and its like "Come on Beskar, or I will reveal!!".

It is an obvious con, if I was actually mafia, he would reveal it and go "Beskar is mafia, lynch him", but funnily enough, he only brings this up when ATPG said to him he was going to vig him. He is attempting to blackmail and failing. I hope Pizza does kill you tonight, for your lame fishing attempt.

I apologise if you was expecting anything from Winston Hughes, but I have to burst the bubble. Such lame blackmail attempts deserve a slap.



Edit:
I would like to point out he is claiming this 'now' when ATPG threatened to kill him, and not in the last 72 hours he had this information. It is an obvious bluff in order to take out one of the leading towns in the game and me to pressure ATPG not to kill him. He is possibly the last Dark Samus player too, this is why he is being supported by dead mafia players. Try harder.

[Reenk Roink]

On Atpg: Yes, he isn't a town role, and yes there is still a reasonable amount of probability that he is a true SK and not just an anti town SK.

STILL, the guy turned around TinCow's plan and gathered information leading to Renata's lynch. Need I remind you that SAMUS and DARK SAMUS are Mafia. Mafia are much more important targets than even a true SK.

Plus the writeup confirmed his identity, his alibi's make sense and are likely true.

Furthermore, there is NO DOUBT in my mind that I would MUCH rather have Atpg win at all AT the expense of the town than freaking Samus who killed me on round 1. I hate Samus so much and my main goal in staying in this game is to make sure she and her team lose along with Beefy living (Beefy I swear to god if you're Samus...) AND there is still the possibility of Atpg winning it WITH US. Can't say that about Samus...

Samus and her team haven't been scratched yet, Atpg is a powerful anti-Samus figure. Atpg's earned his rope, we have 30+ players, let him stay alive for some time for godssake! The only way it is a bad idea is if Atpg can recruit which seems very unlikely.

prefos All players voting Atpg next round.

Next time, I hope you can give me more credit than being cheap like that.

I don't understand this comment? I am upset at you for trying to help Samus, which no doubt factored into your decision to reveal Atpg. Yes you got very unlucky by being scanned and then the leak due to recruitment efforts, it reminds of PSM. But oh well, the win loss doesn't matter. I really liked the way you handled your early lynch. I really didn't like you doing a favor for my murderer...

[TinCow]

I was sat there thinking, "Who does think I am, Tim Crow? No one is going to fall for this".

Was that comment really necessary?

[TinCow]

I don't understand this comment? I am upset at you for trying to help Samus, which no doubt factored into your decision to reveal Atpg. Yes you got very unlucky by being scanned and then the leak due to recruitment efforts, it reminds of PSM. But oh well, the win loss doesn't matter. I really liked the way you handled your early lynch. I really didn't like you doing a favor for my murderer...

Clearly you missed the fact that the only reason I did that was to save my mafia boss. The line about Samus was just drama to make it look more clever.

[Double A]

I'm sorry but what? I wasn't specifically talking about you, but okay, here we go...

Pizza needs to kill Samus and Dark Samus, so do you. Thus, goals seem intially compatible, but Pizza claims neutrality, and thus you claim he will win when both Samus's are dead. He does this when he either votes for the lynch of a Samus or kills them personally, which is has a high chance of happening simply if Pizza votes for whomever gets lynched every round. Pizza has to do nothing that a normal townie wouldn't.

You're basically saying that the only way the town could ever win is if they managed to find ATPG before Dark Samus and Samus, whom the town knows are the antagonists and thus are to be lynched and where the town almost always kills scum when they find them. So the town NEVER had any realistic chance of winning, ever, by your logic. Do you not see how this is entirely USELESS to consider? Think first yourself, before you prove that you aren't trustworthy.

But if Pizza hadn't gotten the Meta Ridley role, you can probably assume it would go to someone who would randomly kill people. Then the town would probably try to lynch Ridley due to his affiliation as a recurring bad guy. Ridley would have been designed to be killed for a full townie victory.

[Winston Hughes]

@Beskar

What?

I never asked for a full reveal. Not once. That is an outright lie.

Literally all I asked for was the names of your kill abilities, stating that I already knew one of them. It was I who offered a full reveal in exchange. Your response was to rely on a hollow argument about not wanting to give the villains ammunition for WIFOM, as if that counts for anything.

I know for a fact what one of your kill abilities is, and I strongly suspect that you have others, given how unwilling you were to divulge them unless I first told you the one I knew about (thus allowing you to claim that that was the only one you have). I gave you another chance when I revealed how I knew about the ability, which would thus be confirmable, since I know not only the name but also the detail in its description. Still you would not budge.

Thus, with a known villain acting as your right hand, you had me under the threat of death, unless I gave up my one card - the detail which has the potential to falsify a claim you might make about your killing powers. My only recourse was publicity.

So, now that you've forced my hand and revealed my ability to the world, why don't you now tell us all what kill abilities you have? As I said several times without any meaningful response: why keep them to yourself unless you plan on getting away with murder?

[Reenk Roink]

Clearly you missed the fact that the only reason I did that was to save my mafia boss. The line about Samus was just drama to make it look more clever.

Even false compliments or pretending to Samus are crossing the line...

[Cecil XIX]

Pizza shouldn't be killing based on private discussion. End of story.

Agreed.

[Double A]

I wonder what kind of blow if any Dark Samus dying does to the team. It would suck if all they lost was a member and could still recruit, because then even if two went down more could easily be recruited. Then again recruiting people who can't kill just yet doesn't do much.

To all IDFH: Team Dark Samus is likely weakened now with two down and some probably exposed, just don't bother joining them anymore.

Some replies to posts that I've haven't answered yet, from yesterday.



I missed that question yesterday, Sasaki.

I am not 'impressed' by it, it's not the right word. I just think that a player deserve some credit for a well-timed vote against a scum, enough credit to be immune to petty cases like the one you had on him yesterday.



Bah, you misinterpreted my posts twice in a row. Wondering if my explanations were that bad or if it's something else. Anyway ATPG confirmed in a later post, that cover role names will appear in the writeup, if attacked. I guess that I believe him on that point. Surely he was trying to save his life, and being caught in a lie here wouldn't help.



Wow AA, what's up with you in this game? I'm seeing some analysis, some good reasons to place a vote, and now you're answering my question on mafia having the ability to kill their voters in a previous CoV game.

I just don't recognize you. Anyway, thanks for answering.

So what was Motep saying about mafia having the ability to kill their voters if they were lynched? It happened in another CoV game maybe? I'll have to check the first game "Council of Villains" and the 2nd, "The Missing Link", unless someone else knows the answer?

I still think it's interesting to know if TinCow could kill one of his own, if they were voting for him, because they wouldn't be voting for him if that's the case, unless they're ballsy, maybe.

I'm sorry but what? I wasn't specifically talking about you, but okay, here we go...

Pizza needs to kill Samus and Dark Samus, so do you. Thus, goals seem intially compatible, but Pizza claims neutrality, and thus you claim he will win when both Samus's are dead. He does this when he either votes for the lynch of a Samus or kills them personally, which is has a high chance of happening simply if Pizza votes for whomever gets lynched every round. Pizza has to do nothing that a normal townie wouldn't.

You're basically saying that the only way the town could ever win is if they managed to find ATPG before Dark Samus and Samus, whom the town knows are the antagonists and thus are to be lynched and where the town almost always kills scum when they find them. So the town NEVER had any realistic chance of winning, ever, by your logic. Do you not see how this is entirely USELESS to consider? Think first yourself, before you prove that you aren't trustworthy.

@Beskar

What?

I never asked for a full reveal. Not once. That is an outright lie.

Literally all I asked for was the names of your kill abilities, stating that I already knew one of them. It was I who offered a full reveal in exchange. Your response was to rely on a hollow argument about not wanting to give the villains ammunition for WIFOM, as if that counts for anything.

I know for a fact what one of your kill abilities is, and I strongly suspect that you have others, given how unwilling you were to divulge them unless I first told you the one I knew about (thus allowing you to claim that that was the only one you have). I gave you another chance when I revealed how I knew about the ability, which would thus be confirmable, since I know not only the name but also the detail in its description. Still you would not budge.

Thus, with a known villain acting as your right hand, you had me under the threat of death, unless I gave up my one card - the detail which has the potential to falsify a claim you might make about your killing powers. My only recourse was publicity.

So, now that you've forced my hand and revealed my ability to the world, why don't you now tell us all what kill abilities you have? As I said several times without any meaningful response: why keep them to yourself unless you plan on getting away with murder?

I just don't understand why you haven't posted it here yet. It's not much of a "card" in the first place. If this was Magic, it would be Storm Crows.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yeah I don't like beskar's post.

If it was a different SK I would be all in favor of letting him live, but I don't want pizza behind the scenes. If I was in his spot I'd find the mafia and try and ally, and if pizza is thinking pro-town thoughts right now they are highly variable (see his other games).

[Reenk Roink]

Yeah I don't like beskar's post.

If it was a different SK I would be all in favor of letting him live, but I don't want pizza behind the scenes. If I was in his spot I'd find the mafia and try and ally, and if pizza is thinking pro-town thoughts right now they are highly variable (see his other games).

If Pizza wants to betray the town he will have to wait for a good amount of time before having a reasonable chance of getting away with it. AT LEAST give him until we have like 24 players remaining.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

If Pizza wants to betray the town he will have to wait for a good amount of time before having a reasonable chance of getting away with it. AT LEAST give him until we have like 24 players remaining.

I'd like it to play out like yesterday. Pizza wagon, counterwagon. He'll get lynched eventually. It has the potential to be more informative than a set time.

If he kills someone discussed tonight though he has to die on principle. Unless they are mafia, lol.

[Captain Blackadder]

I find Beskar suspicious but something about WInston's story does not ring true not sure what it is just that something feels off to me.

[Beskar]

I never asked for a full reveal. Not once. That is an outright lie.

No it isn't, stop trying to cover yourself up.

Literally all I asked for was the names of your kill abilities, stating that I already knew one of them. It was I who offered a full reveal in exchange. Your response was to rely on a hollow argument about not wanting to give the villains ammunition for WIFOM, as if that counts for anything.

You was asking for 'all abilities'. I was told you I wouldn't give out that kind of information, especially to a mafia suspect, I trust Pizza more than you and he is scum. especially considering certain situations where my abilities unknown are possibly protecting other pro-town roles. Being a pro-town, I am not going to give information to a mafia suspect with a false reveal.

You are simply trying to bait a situation on me which is false to the town in order to cover your own behind, as you was threatened to be killed by Pizza (apparently, i don't know if he did or not). That is it, zero. You have nothing at all. I am so confident, I am calling out on your nonsense.

I know for a fact what one of your kill abilities is, and I strongly suspect that you have others, given how unwilling you were to divulge them unless I first told you the one I knew about (thus allowing you to claim that that was the only one you have). I gave you another chance when I revealed how I knew about the ability, which would thus be confirmable, since I know not only the name but also the detail in its description. Still you would not budge.

If you don't know why a pro-town would reveal information to a mafia suspect, I recommend reading the mafia 101 which is stickied at the top by Beefy.

Thus, with a known villain acting as your right hand, you had me under the threat of death, unless I gave up my one card - the detail which has the potential to falsify a claim you might make about your killing powers. My only recourse was publicity.

What are you on about? ATPG contacted you on his own volition and that is if he contacted you at all (Pizza at work, so I can't even ask). So I never had you 'anywhere' and I never had you any under 'threat of death'. I never forced you into anything.

I will also remind you that Pizza wants Dark Samus and Samus dead, aka, the mafia, he is a powerful town assert which he has commented he will gladly be. He isn't my "right-hand dragon".

So, now that you've forced my hand and revealed my ability to the world, why don't you now tell us all what kill abilities you have? As I said several times without any meaningful response: why keep them to yourself unless you plan on getting away with murder?

Well, 'plan on getting away with murder' would imply I am not one of the murderers. especially as you would know the said ability and go "hey, isn't that the person that killed x?". If this was the case, you would accuse me of actually attacking some one, which you haven't, because this ability hasn't been used.

So evident from this information alone shows I am not one of the mafia killers.

Since you cannot name 'imaginary ability x' on top of this, you have absolutely zero.

So ultimately, this is what you are doing. You are faking this information to try to use this situation to your own advantage. You have nothing, you are all bark and no bite. If you had anything, you would have been in this thread like a shot last round and got me lynched. However, apparently I am 'forcing you to reveal' that I apparently might be a mafia.

Sorry Winston, I hope ATPG kills you tonight. If you are a mafia, nice try, if you was a town, dumb move.

[Winston Hughes]

By the way, the question I asked Sasaki early on in the game was "What abilities do you have?"

He didn't have any.

[Beskar]

By the way, the question I asked Sasaki early on in the game was "What abilities do you have?"

He didn't have any.

Was this when TinCow revealed Sasaki as being Rundas (GF aligned) ? Oh wait.. it was. Just a coincidence surely? I mean, the both of you investigating the same person and knowing he was just a normal townie.

Still waiting for you to reveal this kill ability. Why are you so hesitant in revealing, something to hide? Is it the fact it doesn't exist? Yeah, that kind of puts a damper on your plans. Claiming people have non-existent abilities.

[Winston Hughes]

You was asking for 'all abilities'.

No, I specifically said: "I only need to know the kill abilities".

You are lying through your teeth.

You are simply trying to bait a situation on me which is false to the town in order to cover your own behind, as you was threatened to be killed by Pizza.

Cover my own behind? I've been fully expecting to die ever since you ran away from our conversation without warning, right after I called out your motives for not wanting to reveal your kill abilities.

And you're still ducking the question now.

Since you cannot name 'imaginary ability x' on top of this, you have absolutely zero.

You mean my own ability? It's called 'Metamorph'.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I wonder about pizza thinking beskar was one of the mafia, and then turning around to be all buddy buddy now that I think of it.

[Winston Hughes]

Still waiting for you to reveal this kill ability. Why are you so hesitant in revealing, something to hide? Is it the fact it doesn't exist? Yeah, that kind of puts a damper on your plans. Claiming people have non-existent abilities.

(Beskar edited this in after my post)

Wait, are you saying you don't have a kill ability at all?

[Beskar]

(Beskar edited this in after my post)

Wait, are you saying you don't have a kill ability at all?

Well, if you are mafia, you could indeed have a kill ability. Doesn't make it mine. Plus, apparently 'mine' hasn't been used by the mafia. So i would be expecting something unique and special for you to be correct.

You mean my own ability? It's called 'Metamorph'.

No the name of the kill ability you apparently copied which you keep ducking.

why so hesitant, Winston?

[Captain Blackadder]

I agree that was what is bugging me what is Beskars ability called Winston you say you know it so what is it called and what is its description?

[Beskar]

I agree that was what is bugging me what is Beskars ability called Winston you say you know it so what is it called and what is its description?

Hah, my ability is "Only Winston knows", it has the special power of not killing people, unless you say its name, at which point, you mysteriously do not get killed by it.

[Winston Hughes]

Plus, apparently 'mine' hasn't been used by the mafia.

No, I said I didn't know if you've killed anyone. Not the same thing at all.

No the name of the kill ability you apparently copied which you keep ducking.

Okay, this is the point where I go from merely suspecting you, to actually thinking you are a villain.

why so hesitant, Winston?

Hesitant? I'm not the one who went off to 'play X-Box' for six hours - without warning - rather than work it out between us. In case you hadn't noticed, I've been waiting for you to come back ever since. I've still got the IM conversation open. The last few lines are:

"or, if you prefer, I could reveal what I know about you in the thread
because I'm becoming increasingly suspicious about your desire to keep your murder skills secret
there is no reason I can see other than a desire to kill with impunity
and that's not a pro-town desire"

Then you vanished.

[Winston Hughes]

I agree that was what is bugging me what is Beskars ability called Winston you say you know it so what is it called and what is its description?

The moment I say its name, Beskar can claim it's the only kill ability he has, even if he has a whole stack of others.

[Beskar]

The moment I say its name, Beskar can claim it's the only kill ability he has, even if he has a whole stack of others.

I have a secret stash of kill abilities, along with "Only Winston knows", there is "Winston suspects" and "Winston's imagination".

How dare I be foiled. How could you do this to me, almightly lords of the Gameroom, thy Sigurd and General of Hankerchief be thy name.

My real ability is called "Accessing Winston's Role PM", in Winston's pm, it says "Your alignment is Mafia (the badguys)", it even gave me access to their quicktopic. :o :o :o

[Winston Hughes]

I have a secret stash of kill abilities, along with "Only Winston knows", there is "Winston suspects" and "Winston's imagination".

How dare I be foiled. How could you do this to me, almightly lords of the Gameroom, thy Sigurd and General of Hankerchief be thy name.

My real ability is called "Accessing Winston's Role PM", in it, it says "Your alignment is Mafia (the badguys)", it even gave me access to their quicktopic. :o :o :o

Well, I'm off to bed right now. It's been fun.

But for a final sentiment, I must point out that the last time Beskar took this mocking tone towards me, it was when I correctly identified him as mafia in another game.