[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[Romanic]

Uh, I'll have to re-read the Winston vs Beskar debate to get a better idea of things, but killing Winston tonight? I don't know... I thought that Autolycus gave us a good alternative.

Dear Meta-Ridley and Phazon-Corrupted (and everyone else too)
Based on today and stuff I can't discuss since I'm dead, I'm fairly certain Frozen in Ice is scum and specifically Samus scum. Might I suggest you kill him?
Thanks,
Mr. Dead Quarantine Officer.

He's fairly certain that Frozen in Ice is on the Samus team, based on stuff that he cannot discuss. It looks like a good lead to follow.

My pick for the Pizza kill would be Frozen in Ice, even if he has not answered the accusation. I trust that Autolycus wouldn't have posted this, phrasing it how he did, if his reasons weren't good enough.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Uh, I'll have to re-read the Winston vs Beskar debate to get a better idea of things, but killing Winston tonight? I don't know... I thought that Autolycus gave us a good alternative.

He's fairly certain that Frozen in Ice is on the Samus team, based on stuff that he cannot discuss. It looks like a good lead to follow.

My pick for the Pizza kill would be Frozen in Ice, even if he has not answered the accusation. I trust that Autolycus wouldn't have posted this, phrasing it how he did, if his reasons weren't good enough.

I do feel this is a very important point. But I feel quite wary of pulling the trigger blindly on Frozen, even based on a dead townie hunch. Still, you're right, there's basically no reason I shouldn't act on that. I am only weighing my options.

I feel the Winston lead is more pressing, and I feel the Frozen lead should get a full vote, not just me shooting him.

Spare his life so that he can lynch Samus tomorrow.

Mafia fratricide FTW!

This still feels like a mafia bluff. Will consider, yet probably ignore.

If he's the last member of your team, he's not got long for this world regardless, because he's angrying up the blood of a bunch of other factions IMO.

Well as to whether he should die tonight rests on who the other target is going to be. I say don't kill him but have a very close look at both him and Beskar because if both of them are town I will eat my hat. One of them is scum possibly both of them.

Beskar is holding something back, but after talking with him, I don't believe he's mafia.


*new information*


And, I also know this: Winston is absolutely lying about something, or he's mafia, or both; or Beskar is.

Between the two of them, Winston has more to prove. If he comes up townie, Beskar has a LOT of explaining to do. And honestly, Winston does too, because he has been caught in a lie about something, or he would do his townie duty.

Beskar knows he's lying for reasons I won't go into. Winston bluffed, and was caught in the bluff.



I will be killing Winston Hughes tonight, for certain. If I die, Beskar must explain why I have done these actions. If Winston comes up townie, Beskar must be pressured, but not just him; I'd like to know from Winston why he was lying. It doesn't make sense.

[TinCow]

This still feels like a mafia bluff. Will consider, yet probably ignore.

If he's the last member of your team, he's not got long for this world regardless, because he's angrying up the blood of a bunch of other factions IMO.

Think of it this way, if you let him live one of the two of them is almost certain to be lynched tomorrow. That means you get another day to fade into the background and play townie.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Think of it this way, if you let him live one of the two of them is almost certain to be lynched tomorrow. That means you get another day to fade into the background and play townie.

That's really not my objective and you know it. I appreciate the game you're playing, and I find it very amusing; right up there with Andres' dead+distracting mafia play. Letting him live, as he's caught out lying, is downright foolish. The threat of being lynched tomorrow doesn't enter into it. Or even so, if he's Samus, I want to kill him before I get lynched. If he's mafia, my use to the town is further proven anyway.

The last thing I need is to misfire here. There is no benefit to letting Winston live if what I'm seeing isn't Winston's most horrendous townie mistake ever. Further, if he is "mafia" mafia, as in your team or Samuses, odds are pretty good he's got a reason to attack me tonight.

I believe one of three things is the case here, given your reaction.

1. He's blundered horribly badly as a townie, with a bluff that backfired and made him look scummy. I rate this outcome as highly unlikely for Winston.
2. He is Phazon, and you'd just like to delay him getting killed off so swiftly after yourself and Renata so he can possibly recruit and continue your legacy
3. He's Samus mafia, and you just want to see a maximum amount of non-townie roles survive and cause mayhem for your own amusement.

In any of these cases, I'm not inclined to give you satisfaction by letting him off the hook. You play ruthless, I play ruthless.


Anyway, he's got 24 hours to explain himself, and I am looking forward to it. It's entirely possible he says something interesting. But rest assured, I need a real explanation, not a bluff. It's not going to cut it.

[Double A]

... what happens if mafia playes merciful?

[TinCow]

I believe one of three things is the case here, given your reaction.

1. He's blundered horribly badly as a townie, with a bluff that backfired and made him look scummy. I rate this outcome as highly unlikely for Winston.
2. He is Phazon, and you'd just like to delay him getting killed off so swiftly after yourself and Renata so he can possibly recruit and continue your legacy
3. He's Samus mafia, and you just want to see a maximum amount of non-townie roles survive and cause mayhem for your own amusement.

You don't think there's any possibility Beskar is scum, regardless of Winston's role? You noted a few oddities about Beskar's responses just a few posts up... Surely if your only remaining objective is to kill Samus, you'd want to carefully consider all potential suspects for that role.

Oh, by the way, the ability Beskar's detective used to ID me is called X-Ray Visor. It is the only investigative ability in the game that can pierce a cover role, and it is possessed by both mafia families. Beskar's detective is my counterpart from the Samus mafia family. So, for all you pure townies out there, beware who you trust.

All mafioso have cover roles. All cover roles have a physical resemblance to the true character role. Who does an action-oriented human female resemble when you play Metroid music in the background?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Pizza needs to be lynched tomorrow because he's going to be persistent in pulling strings to kill who he wants. L-O-L at him being nice enough to let the town vote on whether to kill or not to kill his chosen suspect. THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS. YOU JUMP WHEN WE SAY YOU JUMP, OR YOU DIE.

beskar and frozen are scummy. Let's hear more from autolycus and let the beskar-winston debate play out.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I just want to wipe the slate clean. Lynch pizza, lynch beskar, and then let the TOWN do the scumhunting. And then lynch frozen. We'll see how it goes though.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza needs to be lynched tomorrow because he's going to be persistent in pulling strings to kill who he wants. L-O-L at him being nice enough to let the town vote on whether to kill or not to kill his chosen suspect. THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS. YOU JUMP WHEN WE SAY YOU JUMP, OR YOU DIE.

You haven't said to jump... I already pointed out, you haven't been decisive in what to do.

On my own, I've decided that there was something wrong with Winston, and put pressure on him. That led to him pressuring Beskar with a bluff that Beskar says is false enough to prove he's mafia.

Now, Winston comes up clean, you lynch Beskar, because that means Beskar is the mafia.

And how would you have arrived at such conclusions? Through townie collaboration, or my efforts?

Give me a break, Sasaki.

You want to kill me, let me crush as many mafiosi as I can before I go. At least give me credit for being freaking useful.

[Frozen In Ice]

Autolycus only suspects me because of a misunderstanding we had in a private conversation early on. We both came out of it suspecting the other one but just afterward Tincow killed Autolycus in the lynch.

[Choxorn]

You don't think there's any possibility Beskar is scum, regardless of Winston's role? You noted a few oddities about Beskar's responses just a few posts up... Surely if your only remaining objective is to kill Samus, you'd want to carefully consider all potential suspects for that role.

I'll agree that Beskar's reponse seems a little off, but Winston is by far the more scummy of the two.

I also have to say that, scum or town, Winston would never attempt a bluff like this if it had this low of a chance of success, so something is obviously up here. Maybe after Winston dies, it will be easier to see.

Alternatively, Winston, just reveal everything now. Pizza's already said he's going to kill you, so you have nothing to lose by revealing.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What's supposed to have happened? Winston is scum and didn't steal a kill ability, and then decided to...?????????????

I think either beskar is scum, or some role is tampering with the results. Bus driver, etc.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

OASEULA.CGBULG.KLGOBSTHSAOTCEJHSLRCBKJCBXLKGOCKLAGDJLEOKBEU ABOKH

JUST ****** SCAN AS DEFAULT

Beskar's response is hugely hugely scummy.

Scum seem to be crawling all over the "kill winston" request.

Frozen is likely scum.

THERE IS NO EARTHLY REASON TO KILL SOMEONE IN THE MIDDLE OF A DEBATE

Winston quite clearly stated his reason for not saying the power.

Apparently, he claims he 'copied' a kill ability from me (originally, he apparently had 'all'), and he says I have to fully reveal or he will 'out' me. So entertaining this, I questioned "So, what is the name of this ability then?".

Beskar practically ADMITS to having a kill ability here. If someone said they copied a kill ability from me, and I didn't have any, I WOULD NOT say "so what's the name of it?". DUH

[Beskar]

Beskar practically ADMITS to having a kill ability here. If someone said they copied a kill ability from me, and I didn't have any, I WOULD NOT say "so what's the name of it?". DUH

It does if you are amused and they just call you a 'liar' if you say no. By giving a name, you can identify which of the night killers I am being accused of being, which would actually point at me at being mafia.

However, I am being accused of possessing a night kill ability not seen before and apparently has no name or description.

I am calling Winston out of his claim because it is false. That much is evident. I am telling him to 'reveal' this evidence which apparently makes me a mafia. I outright denied having any night kill ability, so "I won't tell you because you might have more" is an incredibly weak argument.

I thought that much was obvious, Sasaki.