[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ack, how would winston be able to describe the icon but get the name wrong?

[Beskar]

Ack, how would winston be able to describe the icon but get the name wrong?

Because he is lying and attempting to frame me.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Because he is lying and attempting to frame me.

How we he be able to, not why would he want to.

[Winston Hughes]

Ack, how would winston be able to describe the icon but get the name wrong?

Because there is more than one Fire-Based weapon.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Because there is more than one Fire-Based weapon.

Are you suggesting that Plasma Cannon is like... tier II version of Fire Strike?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yeah, that matches with you saying it's an ability that hasn't been used so far.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah, that matches with you saying it's an ability that hasn't been used so far.

That's the part that's a lie. I think I'm going to reveal now. Hang on a second.

[Secura]

On night two I used my Metamorph ability on Beskar, and gained the Plasma Cannon ability, which kills with a Fire-Based attack.

Given the context of the game and the wide array of characters we've seen, I've come to the conclusion that Winston is telling the truth about his Metamorph ability and that he is probably Kirby or Ditto.

Neither of those characters fit the description of Sasaki's killer on Night Two, who was of similar height to Rundas and able to look at him with "beautiful red eyes" and kiss him passionately before vapourising him with fire-based attacks.

Sure, there's cover roles, but have we seen a cover role yet that doesn't correlate with the character that it's masking? Just look at Ridley's cover, another draconic character, or Cloud's, which was essentially a brown-haired mirror image. Who would be a cover for Kirby/Ditto?

Winston claimed to have stolen the Plasma Cannon ability on the same night Sasaki died, meaning that he is affirming that he was actively doing something else rather than being the murderer; this claim doesn't clear him in the eyes of the living town, but should it really be acted upon so impulsively by the vigs/serial killers?

I believe you should refrain from killing Winston for now; scan him first, as his ability could be extremely useful if he is town and it's not something that we want to lose so easily.

Should you learn nothing constructive, consider killing him then; just give him a little time.

I'll eat my pizza hut hat if I am wrong.

On any occasion where you hedge your bets like so, I will pop up and remind you about this statement... :P

[Winston Hughes]

Are you suggesting that Plasma Cannon is like... tier II version of Fire Strike?

What?

[Romanic]

JGHBKL KHFYGFSHAKSFYJHAVD UDIASI (a la Sasaki!)

EXCUSE ME! Did the vilainous dragon say he knew someone else with the Fire Strike ability? I want to hear more about this!

[Winston Hughes]

Yeah, that matches with you saying it's an ability that hasn't been used so far.

I never said that. It was one of Beskar's fabrications. All I said was that I didn't know if he'd killed anyone.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

JGHBKL KHFYGFSHAKSFYJHAVD UDIASI (a la Sasaki!)

Except mine look less cool because I use dvorak. ASEOTNSUHOETHUASOE. So smooth and placid, no spiky rage :(

I never said that. It was one of Beskar's fabrications. All I said was that I didn't know if he'd killed anyone.

Ah, and pizza is writing a big post about how it's a lie.

[Beskar]

I never said that. It was one of Beskar's fabrications. All I said was that I didn't know if he'd killed anyone.

There Winston goes again, spinning his web of lies.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

There Winston goes again, spinning his web of lies.

You really don't sound credible here.

[Askthepizzaguy]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053241436

Night one, shadowy figure with Red eyes (bolded) attacks and kills Pit AKA Reenk Roink.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053242319

Night two, figure with delicate arms and Red eyes (bolded) attacks and kills Rundas, AKA Sasaki Kojiro.


Beskar has claimed credit for both attacks, and although the attacks are different, he also claims he has both ice and fire strike.

Notice the description of the attacker matches in both cases, and that the figure is described as delicate and feminine, with red eyes.

There is no plasma "cannon" being used here. But it is believable that someone with "fire strike" who is who Beskar claims to be would attack with "fireballs" as I have also attacked with "fireballs" with "fire strike".

Finally, this shows that Beskar was elsewhere during all of the Samus kills. It also shows he has a cover role.

Beskar is NOT Samus. What he is, is Princess Peach. What alignment he is, he claims to be Hero, but I have doubts.




Now, I still have some doubts that Winston stole "plasma cannon" from Beskar. That's why Beskar called bull, because although the accusation was close, it was also off; off enough to sound like a lie, so he asked for the goods, and Winston stalled. Beskar's ability does not sound at all like "plasma cannon". Why the name would change in Winston's hands, is unknown.

I'm not sure exactly what is going on. But, there is enough to cast doubt on Winston. Beskar is another story.

I know for sure he's not Samus. The proof is in the write-ups.

My theories on him are twofold:

1. He's Samus' accomplice; Samus' "hunter" word is also in Bold Red. However, only Beskar's character talks, and in bold Red.
2. He's something else he claimed to be, which has a reason for a cover role. Peach/Jill Valentine being third party would explain a lot.


If Winston is mafia, I believe that he's gunning for Beskar pretty hard because of "Mafia Fratricide" as Tincow put it. He believes Beskar is mafia, very much so.

I tend to think that Winston is either mafia himself, or he's going to be mafia via recruitment; I find it hard to believe he's Samus if Samus is in the writeups killing. He could be Samus' accomplice, but that means Beskar is innocent, because Beskar could only be Samus' accomplice. He cannot be Pikachu or any other visible non-Samus accomplice and his color is all wrong.

So, if Winston flips Samus mafia, Beskar is innocent.
If Winston flips Dark Samus mafia, Beskar is either third party or Samus mafia.
If Winston flips innocent, he was indeed recruitable and an eventual threat, but the real threat is elsewhere.

Beskar is not Samus. I do believe his protection at night should be removed, and for now, given to Seon.

You decide what you want to do with this information.

I believe we can gain a lot of information by killing, or investigating, mister Winston. But he doesn't want to cooperate, even when he might be able to help us. I am skeptical he's REALLY town, but man, if he would just stop being such a stubborn sam, we could get some **** done.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ah, and pizza is writing a big post about how it's a lie.

No, I'm revealing tons of juicy info that you will indeed find useful.

There is still reason to suspect Winston, because of what's been happening. But I, for one, would be willing to let Winston live to test him out. If only he would GO INACTIVE LIKE I ASKED.

EXCUSE ME! Did the vilainous dragon say he knew someone else with the Fire Strike ability? I want to hear more about this!

Done and done.

[TinCow]

Did you seriously just claim that the red eye killer is pro-town?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Did you seriously just claim that the red eye killer is pro-town?

Nah, third party probably, but given how Beskar is squirming under pressure, I admit there's a very real possibility he's Samus-ALIGNED.

In fact, if Beskar does not tell me who his partner is, I'm going to suggest that's what he is.

But I am still trying to wrench workable information out of Winston. I have all the time in the world to take one suspect and hammer it against another suspect. There will be blood, and it will likely be mafia blood.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You're saying he killed reenk and me? WHY ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT THIS.

DEAD. NOW.

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[Romanic]

LOL Beskar killed Sasaki!!!!!!

What a day! ahhahahahaha

[TinCow]

ATPG, you are awesome. I love that you just outed Beskar as a dead-to-right mafioso, and claim to be doing it in defense of him.

Chaotix, this may end up being a short game, but it may well be the most drama-dense game in Org history. Well done.

[Secura]

Why target Reenk and Sasaki, though?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh also, if Beskar is not mafia, he's definitely got to stop killing. So hows about not killing anyone tonight Beskar, lest you die tomorrow?

Eh?

If you kill anyone tonight, my sweet little peach, I will be voting for you tomorrow. PROVE that you're actually third party, and don't kill another innocent.

Meanwhile, protector needs to leave Beskar alone and cover Seon, he's the only one in the game I find credible at the moment. I would be tempted to say protect Winston, but I got a funny kinda feeling he's still not being honest somewhere.

[TinCow]

Oh also, if Beskar is not mafia, he's definitely got to stop killing. So hows about not killing anyone tonight Beskar, lest you die tomorrow?

Eh?

If you kill anyone tonight, my sweet little peach, I will be voting for you tomorrow. PROVE that you're actually third party, and don't kill another innocent.

Meanwhile, protector needs to leave Beskar alone and cover Seon, he's the only one in the game I find credible at the moment. I would be tempted to say protect Winston, but I got a funny kinda feeling he's still not being honest somewhere.

ATPG, you really haven't thought this through very well. You seem to be forgetting that Beskar was 'trusted' by a person with the mafia X-Ray Visor ability without being investigated. Still want to advocate he's a third party?

[Secura]

The living townies need to get a better grasp of the game and work together here, get some coordination together or something.

Just because many of the more vocal and headstrong players are dropping like flies doesn't mean that you should default to popping up to agree with a dead player's suggestion and vote accordingly before vanishing entirely.

You're essentially being directed by dead players, a serial killer and a 'third party'; the town isn't going to win that way.

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Indeed.

Well, I'm talking about it because I developed a useful axiom in another game.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...45#post8421545

Vote for one suspect, question another. That's better than pressuring only one candidate

Pressuring Beskar is fine and dandy. I've been discussing and sharing info, and putting the pressure on people; I know that Beskar is not Dark Samus mafia, so he is useful inasmuch as he will be trying to destroy said mafia.

But at the same time, Tincow's accusation regarding X-ray vision seemed valid to me. I never once trusted Beskar's investigator; no one should be that powerful this early.

I've been saying all along that Beskar's investigator friend is likely scum. he's no basic townie. Tincow's been saying it too, but from my perspective, it's probably valid.

Since I couldn't get Beskar to rat out who this investigator was, I've had to do my own investigating; and players like Seon and others who have been cooperative have been invaluable. The investigation result on Tincow was also invaluable, but in the back of my mind I realize that Beskar probably has a mafia contact or is third party.

If he is indeed third party, I need to know who his investigator is, or his story is a lie. I CANNOT be corrupted and I will die soon anyway, and I'm only interested in finding Samus.

If he's not third party, he's Samus mafia and won't give up his investigator because his investigator is in fact Samus mafia. So he's a threat to me and everyone else for not being honest.

The only, only thing that can clear Beskar of being Samus mafia, is by me knowing who his big badass investigator friend is.

If he's Samus mafia, that's game-ending for him. He can't reveal it. If he does, town is VERY close to winning.

If he's not Samus mafia, this is the move he has to make to survive.

Sorry to nail you to the wall like this Beskar, but you're not in a position to negotiate. Give me the goods. Goods or GTheckO.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're essentially being directed by dead players, a serial killer and a 'third party'; the town isn't going to win that way.

Oh I think they will. I think we've done enough already to get the ball rolling in that direction.

I'm less and less thinking third party. Beskar has less than 30 minutes to give me his answer, or I'm not gunning for Winston anymore, I'll be gunning for Beskar.

Protection off Beskar, now.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

[TinCow]

I'm only interested in finding Samus.

And this made-up victory condition is why you have backed yourself into a corner defending him. He IS Samus, and your entire role claim goes up in smoke the moment he dies, so you must prevent that at all costs.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And this made-up victory condition is why you have backed yourself into a corner defending him. He IS Samus, and your entire role claim goes up in smoke the moment he dies, so you must prevent that at all costs.

Oh really?

Good. When I die, victory conditions complete, then I will lol at you while you pick up your jaw from the floor.

But we know what happens next, don't we?

Mass kill on Ridley.

I said it before, and I'll say it again. Defeat never felt sooooo good.