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    Yay.

    'Don't ask' is repealed in historic vote

    By Ed O'Keefe
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Sunday, December 19, 2010

    The U.S. military will for the first time in history allow gays to serve openly after the Senate voted Saturday to repeal "don't ask, don't tell," the policy that has required such troops to hide their sexual identity or risk being expelled from the services.

    While opponents said repeal would create a battlefield distraction that could endanger troops, supporters drew parallels to the military's decision to end racial segregation in the 1950s and the admission of women to military service academies in the 1970s.

    "This is the defining civil rights initiative of this decade," said Aubrey Sarvis, executive director of the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network. "Congress has taken an extraordinary step on behalf of men and women who've been denied their rightful integrity for too long."

    For decades, being gay was grounds for discharge, and tens of thousands of service members were forced out after their sexual identities were exposed. President Bill Clinton, who had hoped to end that ban, authorized "don't ask" as a compromise in 1993. More than 13,000 troops have been discharged under the policy.


    The years-long legislative debate over the policy came to an end Saturday as senators voted 65 to 31 to send the repeal legislation to President Obama, who campaigned on a pledge to eliminate the ban on gays serving openly. Eight Republicans joined 57 members of the Democratic caucus; four senators did not vote.

    "It is time to close this chapter in our history," Obama said later in a statement. "It is time to recognize that sacrifice, valor and integrity are no more defined by sexual orientation than they are by race or gender, religion or creed."

    The vote came after an exhaustive Pentagon review found that allowing gays to serve openly posed a "low risk" of disruption and that a large majority of troops expected that it would have little or no effect on their units.

    Top Pentagon officials - who lobbied vigorously for repeal, in part because they feared that a court-ordered lifting of the ban would be far more disruptive - said Saturday that it would take months and perhaps longer to implement the new policy.

    "We will be a better military as a result," said Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

    Clinton's effort to change the Defense Department policy that deemed homosexuality incompatible with military service was upended by resistance from top military advisers, Congress and the American public. The bill he eventually signed - enacting the policy officially known as "don't ask, don't tell, don't pursue" - was drafted in part by lawmakers opposed to gays in the military.

    Yet public sentiment toward gays in the military has since shifted: In May 1993, just 44 percent of Americans believed gays who disclosed their sexual orientation should be allowed to serve in the military; now, 77 percent of Americans think so, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll released this month.
    It is a shame that this came too late for the 13,500 men and women whose careers were cut short during DADT.
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    Go Obama. About time, must have felt really bad for gay soldiers having to hide it

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    It will take months and perhaps longer to implement the new policy
    What does that mean? How long can it take to remove a policy like that? Why would it take more than a single email? Are they trying to screw things up?
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    Probably want to do "special shower rooms" for the homosexuals, and other such nonsense.
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    Probably want to do "special shower rooms" for the homosexuals, and other such nonsense.
    Would women feel comfortable showering with men they did not know? Of course not, when someone is sexually attracted to you and you are not interested in them, or in this case, share no attraction, it is very uncomfortable to be exposing yourself to them and showering with them. Especially when men of the average recruiting age (and gay men in particular) have a reputation for being, shall we say, very forward, even when their attentions are not wanted.
    Why then is it hard to understand why straight men would feel very uncomfortable with such arrangements, or want separate facilities?

    No, contrary to what the media may say, it is not because they hate gays, or not even that they fear them (just as women don't hate or fear men, but wouldn't feel comfortable being made to shower with them), but are just uncomfortable exposing their naked bodies to people who will be attracted by them when they are not attracted to these people at all.
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    I am pretty sure that those wanting a career in the army and who are gay will not be there to eye up buff straight guys.

    FFS, you're training to kill and with a bayonet if required. If you can't cope with a shower, perhaps a different career might be more suitable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    I am pretty sure that those wanting a career in the army and who are gay will not be there to eye up buff straight guys.

    FFS, you're training to kill and with a bayonet if required. If you can't cope with a shower, perhaps a different career might be more suitable?


    Yes, and I am sure that those straight and bi men wanting a career in the army are not there to harass women, yet harassment and rape happen all the time. Don't BS rory, people are people, and when put together, they will do what people do.

    Yes, you are supposed to be training to kill with with a bayonet, and not having to worry about harassment, rape, or some 18 year old with raging hormones trying to get close to you in the shower. It is very important to have strong platonic bonds with your fellow Marines if you are going to function correctly in combat. Putting men with women, or gay men with straight men disrupts these bonds and endangers everyone. I have nothing against gay guys serving in the military, but I do think that they should be housed and showered separate from straight men.
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    In a racial conflict I'd have no problem popping off some negroes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vuk View Post
    Would women feel comfortable showering with men they did not know? Of course not, when someone is sexually attracted to you and you are not interested in them, or in this case, share no attraction, it is very uncomfortable to be exposing yourself to them and showering with them. Especially when men of the average recruiting age (and gay men in particular) have a reputation for being, shall we say, very forward, even when their attentions are not wanted.
    Why then is it hard to understand why straight men would feel very uncomfortable with such arrangements, or want separate facilities?

    No, contrary to what the media may say, it is not because they hate gays, or not even that they fear them (just as women don't hate or fear men, but wouldn't feel comfortable being made to shower with them), but are just uncomfortable exposing their naked bodies to people who will be attracted by them when they are not attracted to these people at all.
    Clearly you were never in a fraternity. Or on a sports team.


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    AFAIK there does not seem to be any major issues in the countries that already has allowed it, so what is the problem?

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