'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Repealed

[gaelic cowboy]

Yes, and I am sure that those straight and bi men wanting a career in the army are not there to harass women, yet harassment and rape happen all the time. Don't BS rory, people are people, and when put together, they will do what people do.

Yes, you are supposed to be training to kill with with a bayonet, and not having to worry about harassment, rape, or some 18 year old with raging hormones trying to get close to you in the shower. It is very important to have strong platonic bonds with your fellow Marines if you are going to function correctly in combat. Putting men with women, or gay men with straight men disrupts these bonds and endangers everyone. I have nothing against gay guys serving in the military, but I do think that they should be housed and showered separate from straight men.

Can they pass the fitness and psych tests if the do and they have the required educational qualification then they should be allowed in the Army.

[Vuk]

Can they pass the fitness and psych tests if the do and they have the required educational qualification then they should be allowed in the Army.

I never said that they should not be allowed into the Army. I said that they should be quartered separately, just as men and women are. There is a reason for it. You cannot have soldiers developing desires for soldiers who they are training and working directly with. It really disrupts things.

[CrossLOPER]

I never said that they should not be allowed into the Army. I said that they should be quartered separately, just as men and women are. There is a reason for it. You cannot have soldiers developing desires for soldiers who they are training and working directly with. It really disrupts things.

What are you proposing exactly? A separate building for every gay or bi soldier?

[Vuk]

What are you proposing exactly? A separate building for every gay or bi soldier?

Of course that must be what I am suggesting. After all, we must make new buildings for every individual female Marine as well.

[HoreTore]

Bollox.

Gay soldiers have showered with straight soldiers for decades. There haven't been a problem yet, there's no reason why there should be one now.

As has been said, have a little faith in your soldiers mental capacity.

[rory_20_uk]

Replace "gay" with "black" and that would have been gospel about 50 years ago.

As HoreTore states, those that are gay are still gay. Nothing has changed.

[lars573]

He's a Yank dragging around some outdated cultural mores, give him some time.

Replace "gay" with "black" and that would have been gospel about 50 years ago.

As HoreTore states, those that are gay are still gay. Nothing has changed.

And it took almost 10 years for full integration to happen.

[Beskar]

As has been said, have a little faith in your soldiers mental capacity.

I don't think Vuk is a soldier, so its ok.

[Lemur]

Gay soldiers have showered with straight soldiers for decades.

Oh, at least as long as there have been showers, so a century or so. And gay soldiers bathed with straight soldiers for a few millennia before that.

Beside which, have you ever seen how fit young gay dudes are? We should be recruiting them, not kicking them out. Them boys are buff.

[Husar]

Of course that must be what I am suggesting. After all, we must make new buildings for every individual female Marine as well.

The female soldiers aren't attracted to one another if they're straight, the gay ones are. So a building full of gay soldiers would disrupt things according to you.
Can't put them with the women either as the women could be attracted to them and that would disrupt things, no?

[CrossLOPER]

Of course that must be what I am suggesting. After all, we must make new buildings for every individual female Marine as well.

I'm inclined to believe that you did not understand me. Are you suggesting that, in order to accomodate homosexual soldiers, each individual soldier must have a building that is explicitly designed for a single individual? According to this plan, there are to be tens of thousands of micro buildings constructed. That's a bit excessive, don't you agree?

[Vuk]

Bollox.

Gay soldiers have showered with straight soldiers for decades. There haven't been a problem yet, there's no reason why there should be one now.

As has been said, have a little faith in your soldiers mental capacity.

Are you kidding me? Most people joining the army are in a time of their life when they are almost completely controlled by hormones and their mental faculties are at their most vulnerable that they will be during any time in their lives. They have a LOT to deal with, and you should not seek to make it harder for them to be better soldiers.

Replace "gay" with "black" and that would have been gospel about 50 years ago.

As HoreTore states, those that are gay are still gay. Nothing has changed.

No, not at all. Quit trying to play the race card my little commie islander friend. It has nothing to do with not liking people or thinking that they are inferior. It is a completely different issue. And yes, they are gay, BUT, guys knowing that they are gay and them acting openly like they are gay WILL make people uncomfortable. Whether that is wrong or not on the side of straight guys, it is the truth, and it will negatively effect combat performance.

The female soldiers aren't attracted to one another if they're straight, the gay ones are. So a building full of gay soldiers would disrupt things according to you.
Can't put them with the women either as the women could be attracted to them and that would disrupt things, no?

The difference is that straight guys are not attracted gay guys, and yet gay guys are to them. Guess what? That is going to create conflict. It is just like married women being hit on by young guys, it does not make them comfortable because the attraction is NOT reciprocal.

Beside which, have you ever seen how fit young gay dudes are? We should be recruiting them, not kicking them out. Them boys are buff.

Now that is just stereotyping Lemur. I know plenty of very unfit gay dudes (in fact, I only know one who is above average fitness. Most of the ones I know are either too fat, or waaay to skinny.) I also know tons of buffed straight guys.

I'm inclined to believe that you did not understand me. Are you suggesting that, in order to accomodate homosexual soldiers, each individual soldier must have a building that is explicitly designed for a single individual? According to this plan, there are to be tens of thousands of micro buildings constructed. That's a bit excessive, don't you agree?

I was making fun of your statement CrossLOPER.

[miotas]

Despite your claiming to know "plenty of gay dudes" I'm not sure that you actually have met many gay people. Most don't "act gay" they are just normal people with different sexual preference to straight people, they don't go around hitting on anything with three legs. You my friend are the one stereotyping here. Segregating the gays is a silly idea.

On the original topic, I don't see why it should take months to "implement" a new "policy". They simply have to stop doing something they do now, this is the exact opposite of somthing that would take time to implement.

[Fragony]

I never said that they should not be allowed into the Army. I said that they should be quartered separately, just as men and women are. There is a reason for it. You cannot have soldiers developing desires for soldiers who they are training and working directly with. It really disrupts things.

Just because they are gay doesn't mean they are attracted to you, no need for that.