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    Looks like the people who make money with with scaring children into loyal taxpayers have found a new aproach to preach DESTRUCTION BY CO2!!!!!11!!!

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...s-2168418.html

    It's possible of course, if human-made global warming existed, which it doesn't. But it can't be true as in 2010 Dutch kids won't know what snow is. It's in the schoolbooks of 2002 so it must be true.

    In the meantime I had another ad hominum from these snowball-damiens.

    hoax, just like acid rain

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    Except “acid rain” wasn't a hoax...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios View Post
    Except “acid rain” wasn't a hoax...
    Yea. And chances are that the atmospheric sulphur which caused it also contributed to the global cooling scare.


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    Yea. And chances are that the atmospheric sulphur which caused it also contributed to the global cooling scare.
    Eh? I think you've skipped a lesson or two in chemistry class there.
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    global warming brings ice age... nothing new melting under the sun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios View Post
    Eh? I think you've skipped a lesson or two in chemistry class there.
    Nope. That's the rationale for global cooling in the 70's.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios View Post
    Eh? I think you've skipped a lesson or two in chemistry class there.
    Has to do with particle content -> cloud formation.

    Now they don't have the December data yet, but Fragony was november warmer or colder than normal?

    linky. See the thing is that global doesn't mean local.
    We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir View Post
    Nope. That's the rationale for global cooling in the 70's.
    Oh, you mean you won't notice the difference between SO2 and H2SO4 ? How about HNO3?
    Here's a hint: crack open a good, old, lead-acid battery (H2SO4). Compare it to freshly opened Château Migraine (SO2).

    “Acid rain” certainly has a lot to do with particle content & cloud formation. However to write it (and thus the effects) off as a hoax smacks of living in blissful ignorance of some of the more obvious chemical properties of “acid rain”, nevermind how church restoration not uncommonly involves repairing damage from acids.
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    Global warming is a charade to scare the public, but the moooslims destroying our European way of life with their evil foreign-ness is a legitimate concern?
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    Before 1989, in Eastern Europe, entire forests dissapeared. Fish glowed green in the dark. Frogs had six, eight, thirteen legs. And the Politbureaus told the populace that nothing was going on, that there really wasn't an ecological disaster unfolding before their very eyes.

    Eventually the people got sick of it, had a revolution, and started cleaning up.

    Meanwhile in the West, corporations have discovered that the internets is full of useful idiots who will do their work for them. Buy some bogus science, send private eyes to rummage through the waste of real scientific institues until you find some inevitable sleaze, and voilà, you've bought yourself a few decades time to carry on with the pluder, the slash-and-burn capitalism. Sheer plunder. Or better yer, sheer socialism, in that the ecological costs are socialised.

    Strangely, whenever some ecological disaster involves Chinese mining, or nine year old girls in India, or Communist practises, the disasters are believed to be true. When it concerns western corporations or governments, the unfolding disasters are invariably considered alarmist nonsense, leftists scaremongering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Strangely, whenever some ecological disaster involves Chinese mining, or nine year old girls in India, or Communist practises, the disasters are believed to be true. When it concerns western corporations or governments, the unfolding disasters are invariably considered alarmist nonsense, leftists scaremongering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho View Post
    Global warming is a charade to scare the public, but the moooslims destroying our European way of life with their evil foreign-ness is a legitimate concern?
    Where's my boring, ah there it is

    @TA, yes acid rain was also a hoax, no such thing as acid rain ever existed. Not the kind that killed all the trees all life et moi in 2000 at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho View Post
    Global warming is a charade to scare the public, but the moooslims destroying our European way of life with their evil foreign-ness is a legitimate concern?
    It must be wonderful to know that one is always correct, and that everyone who disagrees with you only does so because he's stupid, ignorant, detached from reality or brainwashed....



    That one wasn't directed at you, Idaho...if that wasn't obvious
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    It must be wonderful to know that one is always correct, and that everyone who disagrees with you only does so because he's stupid, ignorant, detached from reality or brainwashed....



    That one wasn't directed at you, Idaho...if that wasn't obvious
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    o rly?
    ya rly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Meanwhile in the West, corporations have discovered that the internets is full of useful idiots who will do their work for them. Buy some bogus science, send private eyes to rummage through the waste of real scientific institues until you find some inevitable sleaze, and vola, you've bought yourself a few decades time to carry on with the pluder, the slash-and-burn capitalism. Sheer plunder. Or better yer, sheer socialism, in that the ecological costs are socialised.
    I wouldn't write off 'Climategate' so easily. It exposed some serious negligence by the people providing the primary data and analysis that are driving climate policies that effect economies and lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Buy some bogus science, send private eyes to rummage through the waste of real scientific institues until you find some inevitable sleaze, and voilà, you've bought yourself a few decades time to carry on with the pluder, the slash-and-burn capitalism. Sheer plunder.
    "Slash and burn"? At a nearby refinery, they just finished applying for an air operating permit from the government. That's the standard permit for everyday operations. They already had one, they just needed to get it renewed.

    It took them ten years.

    (fulfilling all the requirements the government wanted, getting the data, revising, etc.)

    So you should understand I take your fear mongering about corporations running rampant over the environment with two metric tons of salt.

    And if the same people a few years ago claiming children wouldn't see snow in 2010 are now claiming that warming is causing blizzards, perhaps we shouldn't accept such claims blindly.

    Nor is climategate trivial; it revealed the fudging of scientific data to push a political agenda.

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    Slashing and burning, how about digging and mining. To make even 10% durable costs more than the earth has to offer. And oil isn't running out for a while (that was also a hoax, club of Rome)

    edit: ROFL@Green party, according to these morally and intellectually superior carrotblitz-brigades terrace-heating should be VERBOTEN.

    They are against 'warming up air'. Yes they actually said it. And this is not a religion gimme a break. Forgive me Gaia for I have consumed, watermelons, may look green but it's all red inside
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    The warmists have been found out and they don't like it. A very hot summer? That's global warming. Three of the coldest winters on record? That's also global warming. Experiencing a drought? Proof of global warming. Flooding? Yep you guessed it, global warming.

    Heads you win, tails I lose.

    It's a scam. A rip off. A con trick.

    It would be amusing if it wasn't having such a tragic effect on people. Here in the UK 30% of all fuel bills goes towards renewable energy. That's those windmills lads, the ones that actually suck electricity from the grid. It's estimated that upwards of 35, 000 people will freeze to death in the UK this winter. How many could have been saved if their fuel bills were reduced by 30%?

    Then there's the hilarious retort that the science is settled. LMFAO. Science is never settled. Theories are discredited all the time. That's how it should be. Anything else is faith. Like the Great Pixie in the sky.

    I understand the unwillingness to admit that you've been had. I too was conned along with the rest and it took me a long time to come to terms with it. I swallowed this guff for over twenty years.

    Now I'm just as mad as hell at the bastards.

    Governments love the issue because it provides a good excuse for more taxes, regulation and bureaucracy. Scientists love it because it provides grant money and subsidies, as well as fancy trips to exotic locales on someone else’s dime. Government bureaucrats love it for that too (actually, everyone involved loves it for that). Socialists love it because it shows the evils of capitalism. Environmentalists love it because it shows the evils of civilization. Religious leaders love it because it shows the evils of humanity. Statists love it because it seems to be a problem that can only be solved with a bigger state. Corporations love it because they can get government subsidies to pretend to invent “green” products that people can pretend will solve the non-existent problem. Guilt-ridden middle class liberals love it because it helps them to feel alive for a few brief moments before the emptiness returns. Celebrities love it because it gives them a feel good issue to advocate for in order to assuage their guilt over their own extreme wealth and lavish lifestyles. Pretty much every member of the political and intellectual class has a stake in this issue surviving, and so it probably will
    Much more eloquent than I.

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    'Turning back halfway is better than getting lost completely' as we say here. But it does keeps amazing me how people gob these lies up. Must be the very young age at which it all starts, and the suffocating social control when an individual is in doubt

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    So what happened to the ozone hole?

    Is everything all better now?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
    So what happened to the ozone hole?

    Is everything all better now?
    There's not enough money in it.
    There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
    So what happened to the ozone hole?

    Is everything all better now?
    Not really, we are all going to die IF WE DON'T ACT RIGHT NOW after all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    And if the same people a few years ago claiming children wouldn't see snow in 2010 are now claiming that warming is causing blizzards, perhaps we shouldn't accept such claims blindly.

    Nor is climategate trivial; it revealed the fudging of scientific data to push a political agenda.

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    I agree on the top comment, since two years isn't enough for a trend (and NAO and AO has been heavily negative before). But I'm going to repeat that global temperature isn't the same as local temperature and recommend reading about the North Atlantic Ocillation (NAO) and the Artic Ocillation (AO).

    This year still have a good shot of being the warmest year measured for example, see link above (NOAA got a very good homepage).

    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Slashing and burning, how about digging and mining. To make even 10% durable costs more than the earth has to offer. And oil isn't running out for a while (that was also a hoax, club of Rome)
    Cheap oil is running out. And you can check out the area around fort MacKay to see what the best replacement does. Those lakes are poisonous wastewater btw.

    Edit:
    Thanks to reduced emissions, the ozone hole no longer increasing and if current emission decrease still ongoing, the non-polar parts of the ozone layer decrease will be back to pre 1980 levels in about 2050. The hole itself is expected to last much longer.

    If you're to throw out this stuff, you could at least read about it.

    Like acid rain, that Greek marble has been more affected by acid rain in the last 100 years, than the more than 2000 years before it, is no sign at all that acid rain is real. Calcination of lakes to prevent them from dying was done by the big metal hand in the sky before now obviously, since the lakes would've been dead otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    It would be amusing if it wasn't having such a tragic effect on people. Here in the UK 30% of all fuel bills goes towards renewable energy. That's those windmills lads, the ones that actually suck electricity from the grid. It's estimated that upwards of 35, 000 people will freeze to death in the UK this winter. How many could have been saved if their fuel bills were reduced by 30%?
    Nothing to do with Climate Change. It is the privatization of the energy companies and them constantly trying to suck the money out of the population, by constantly rising prices while experiencing massive profits. It isn't anything to do with renewable energy either, since their biggest excuse is the price of oil.
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    ....and how many could've been saved not just this winter, but all year long, if their income was increased by 30%?

    But nah, let's not go for the obvious solution and give the poor more money.... Let's lower one of their expenses instead, while we increase the others, that way it'll look like we're doing something to help, thus giving us a clear conscience, while we don't have to raise their standard of living one bit. Yeah, that's what we should do!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Nothing to do with Climate Change. It is the privatization of the energy companies and them constantly trying to suck the money out of the population, by constantly rising prices while experiencing massive profits. It isn't anything to do with renewable energy either, since their biggest excuse is the price of oil.
    No it isn't. It's government policy. Do some research.

    ....and how many could've been saved not just this winter, but all year long, if their income was increased by 30%?

    But nah, let's not go for the obvious solution and give the poor more money.... Let's lower one of their expenses instead, while we increase the others, that way it'll look like we're doing something to help, thus giving us a clear conscience, while we don't have to raise their standard of living one bit. Yeah, that's what we should do!
    You should go on the stage, you're a laugh a minute.
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    How will reducing fuel bills by 30% stop a homeless man from freezing to death under a bridge?
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    How will reducing fuel bills by 30% stop a homeless man from freezing to death under a bridge?
    You offering him a place to sleep perhaps, but such humanity is strictly theory no. I actually do that
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    You offering him a place to sleep perhaps, but such humanity is strictly theory no. I actually do that
    There are no homeless people where I live, I don't have the opportunity...

    Socialist paradise and all that ya know
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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