This really has to stop

Originally Posted by HoreTore

It's "people getting whacked in dictatorships".

It's as old as the sun.

Egypt is a dictatorship. A majority spending time killing off minorities will have less time to rebel against the dictators rule, thus a dictator will allow it. This is anything but new, it happens from time to time in most dictatorships. What do you think "dictatorship" means? "happy happy fun time"?

It has nothing to do with Egypt being a dictatorship, you probably know that but just can't help yourself.

Originally Posted by Fragony

It has nothing to do with Egypt being a dictatorship, you probably know that but just can't help yourself.

It is because they... are... Muslim!!!?

Originally Posted by Fragony

It has nothing to do with Egypt being a dictatorship, you probably know that but just can't help yourself.

To be fair, the phenomenon to which Hortore alludes is a valid point regarding dictatorships. Whether explicitly cultivated as in the Nazis or semi-happenstance as were the periodic Tsarist pogroms against Russian Jews, or the Japanese treatment of Koreans between 1925 and 1945, a dictatorship DOES benefit from having an out-group to pick on. This lets the lower echelon vent frustrations without endangering the elite. The concept is an old one, and is simply a variant on the circum side of the panem et circum recipe.

Doesn't make these episodes in Egypt any less "muslim v. non-muslim" but is worthy of factoring in when analyzing.

Originally Posted by Beskar

It is because they... are... Muslim!!!

Well islamic terrorism is obviously done by muslims, incredible as that may seem to leftist people. But when you really think about it it isn't that illogical. I understand that that can't be right so it must be wrong nononoNO hands -> ears LALALALAA

What's your solution to this Islamist intolerance, Fragony ?

Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine

What's your solution to this Islamist intolerance, Fragony ?

Don't got one, who does?

Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine

What's your solution to this Islamist intolerance, Fragony ?

Some things have been done to make Islam less intolerant, such as female Imans in places such as Morocco.

Some of the harder ones would be to change rules on Muslims who change religion. If more muslim countries allowed other Churches to be built this would also help breed mutual tolerance.

Originally Posted by Fragony

Don't got one, who does?

So what makes you different from a Crusader ?

Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine

So what makes you different from a Crusader ?

Well I detest all religion first of all, did I say anything about Invading Egypt. What we can do is putting pressure on country's like Egypt and Syria (and your own Turkey to a lesser extend) to protect their minority's better.

Yeah, like in Iran, where minorities are protected in the constitution and are represented in parliament. Or wasn't that what you had in mind?

Originally Posted by Hax

Yeah, like in Iran, where minorities are protected in the constitution and are represented in parliament. Or wasn't that what you had in mind?

That's no different in Egypt, but authorities are kinda looking the other way when koptics are harrassed (or participating). Iran is at least fair in being a screwed up place for everybody.

Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

Egypt was Christian until the Muslims conquered it. Might is or at least was right.

What they do in their own ghastly country is their own problem. Our concern is what happens over here.

Really? Then why did we go into Bosnia? Kosovo? Why did we stop Hitler? What goes on in Europe is the business of Europeans, right? Screw those stupid Jews and Poles, it is their problem, right?

Originally Posted by Fragony

Well I detest all religion first of all, did I say anything about Invading Egypt. What we can do is putting pressure on country's like Egypt and Syria (and your own Turkey to a lesser extend) to protect their minority's better.

You somehow seem Islamophobic rather than someone having issues with the religion concept itself. My bad.

Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine

You somehow seem Islamophobic rather than someone having issues with the religion concept itself. My bad.

Well islamism is worse, something islamophiles will never accept. Can't deny this isn't just happening in Egypt. But I got no holy mission

Originally Posted by Fragony

Well islamism is worse, something islamophiles will never accept. Can't deny this isn't just happening in Egypt. But I got no holy mission

Well, it is not "islamophile" not to constantly rag on a group of people, even though there is a sizable portion of that population who are civil and respectable, just like everyone else non-Muslim.

Originally Posted by Beskar

Well, it is not "islamophile" not to constantly rag on a group of people, even though there is a sizable portion of that population who are civil and respectable, just like everyone else non-Muslim.

And there especially is no need to painfully point that out every time when things aren't 100% ok

Originally Posted by Fragony

And there especially is no need to painfully point that out every time when things aren't 100% ok

It just seems lost on a few people.

Poloctial corectness sucks.

The backroom has always been a terrible cesspool of backwardness, and i don't need to point out how insidious some posters are about Islam/Muslims, this isn't about religion, or ethnicity, its a whole slew of complications (and a very long story to boot) but simply put, its primarily government corruption and general unrest in the population. This isn't in a long line of historical rivalry or other BS, its a recent developement.

Originally Posted by Leet Eriksson

This isn't in a long line of historical rivalry or other BS, its a recent developement.

Thought that is what I said

Originally Posted by Fragony

Thought that is what I said

That wasn't aimed at you, i just read the backroom and the amount of "expert" opinions and poorly cherrypicked arguments pretty much made my blood boil at this complete ignorance on the subject matter, it bears repeating since some people do actually live on mars you see.

Originally Posted by Leet Eriksson

That wasn't aimed at you, i just read the backroom and the amount of "expert" opinions and poorly cherrypicked arguments pretty much made my blood boil at this complete ignorance on the subject matter, it bears repeating since some people do actually live on mars you see.

Thank you for the wisdom, the logic, and all the sources. :)

Originally Posted by Fragony

Well islamism is worse, something islamophiles will never accept. Can't deny this isn't just happening in Egypt. But I got no holy mission

Yeah that happens with any semitic religion out there. Judaism runs over children with tanks or Pope sees it fit to march thousands to death. All "X is screwed" is relative to the age you happen to live, or simply the glasses you look from behind.

Originally Posted by Vuk

Thank you for the wisdom, the logic, and all the sources. :)

Leet Eriksson doesn't have to prove his expertness here as he is a well-respected and well-known expert on middle-eastern affairs.
What you're doing is akin to questioning that Sarah Palin knows anything about being a governor in Alaska.

See and this is how it's done, the 3 most important islamic organisations in Dutchieland volunteered to arrange security to guard our coptic churches that are also on the hitlist of hatebeards. That isn't just a nice gesture it also is a really brave one. Not too little, not too late, chapeau.

Originally Posted by Fragony

See and this is how it's done, the 3 most important islamic organisations in Dutchieland volunteered to arrange security to guard our coptic churches that are also on the hitlist of hatebeards. That isn't just a nice gesture it also is a really brave one. Not too little, not too late, chapeau.

A laudable gesture. BUT if anything goes wrong, it could turn nasty very quickly.

Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

A laudable gesture. BUT if anything goes wrong, it could turn nasty very quickly.

These organisations who volunteered to protect the copts will be attacked first by these bearded idiots, terrorism has it's own logic. It's really brave what they did. Hope the media isn't going to make too much of a point out of it

Originally Posted by Fragony

These organisations who volunteered to protect the copts will be attacked first by these bearded idiots, terrorism has it's own logic. It's really brave what they did. Hope the media isn't going to make too much of a point out of it

If the Terrorists are not idiots they'll leave the volunteer security alone and attack the Copts. If they really are being nasty they'll publicly thank those supposed to be defending the Copts for their support. Even if it's not true it'll be something of a PR disaster.

Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

If they are not idiots they'll leave them alone and attack the Copts. If they really are being nasty they'll publicly thank those supposed to be defending the Copts for their support. Even if it's not true it'll be something of a PR disaster.

They would achieve nothing by that you don't understand them, a public statement has been made, so they will have to make one as well, otherwise it looks like they are losing their grip on the faithfull, dissent is a much bigger crime

These organisations who volunteered to protect the copts will be attacked first by these bearded idiots, terrorism has it's own logic. It's really brave what they did. Hope the media isn't going to make too much of a point out of it

See, an imam that supports al-Qaeda might say something along the lines of; "Due to the subservience of these pseudo-Muslims they have allied themselves with the Great and Little Satans and therefor are worse than kafirun, they are apostates and deserve the death" at the Friday Congregational Prayer to a couple of Afghani or Saudi hillbillies who keep four wives locked up in a cupboard and discuss the exact number of hairs in Muhammad's beard and occasionally (misquote) ahadith or Qur'anic verses.

I totally agree that they did the right thing, and even though the Coptic churches has rejected their help (although politely), this is certainly a good step, in the right direction. I don't think it's the first time the (silent?) majority speaks out, but this is certainly one of the first time the press actually picked it up quite well. Good job.