This really has to stop

[Fisherking]

... it is not Religious Intolerance... it is just Intolerance in general that is always the excuse and usually the reason for disagreement and bloodshed.

let's face it, father attacking the 57 year old dude that dates his daughter is a clear case of intolerance
the skinhead killing the ethopian for his i-pod is a clear case where atleast intolerance is used as an excuse for violence
the kenyans kicking out the white farmers is intolerance
sudan, egypt, afghanistan, iraq, israel, intolerance intolerance intolerance intolerance
spanish inquisition = intolerance

the list continues.

Your examples are wide of the mark.


When it is simple bigotry there are easier ways of dealing with the problems.

Once religion enters the equation logic and reason are sidelined because it becomes a matter of faith and belief. Think of it as a force multiplier.

They are pure and their god demands and rewards their acts against the evil unbelievers.

It is no longer a matter of individual beliefs but of a unified block up in arms and that will hear no argument to the contrary.

Fragony is wrong that it is new. For some years now Coptics have been kidnapped and either disappear or forced to convert.

So far the Egyptian government and police agencies have done little or nothing about it.

It is not just an Egyptian problem either. Look what happens to other faiths in other Islamic countries. Even in Turkey the pressure is mounting.

So far as I am aware the Pakistani Christian woman is still condemned to death for insulting Mohamed.

Her crime:
She pointed out that in her faith Jesus arose from the dead after three day but when Mohamed died he stayed dead.

This was the insult to Mohamed that brought the death penalty.

Evidently nonbelievers are not permitted to discuss religion without being subject to death but it is excepted that they can be beaten or otherwise coerced and forced into excepting Islam.

Because of this case it was thought that the blasphemy law might be relaxed but that brought huge protests and the threat of more violence...and you think it is simple intolerance?

The changes need to come from within Islam but so long as voices of reason are shouted down or those more moderate are afraid to speak out, to include governments, then it is not going to happen.

Secular government would help but most of these countries are afraid of such a move. That would at least afford all citizens equal protection under the law, but may do little to stem the violence.

[The Stranger]

Your examples are wide of the mark.


When it is simple bigotry there are easier ways of dealing with the problems.

Once religion enters the equation logic and reason are sidelined because it becomes a matter of faith and belief. Think of it as a force multiplier.

They are pure and their god demands and rewards their acts against the evil unbelievers.

It is no longer a matter of individual beliefs but of a unified block up in arms and that will hear no argument to the contrary.

its not off the mark. but you are right that this is what happens, but it happens because everyone is making that difference between intolerance and religious intolerance, even those who oppose to it... we shouldnt. we should treat it all the same way and simply put a stop to this as we wouldve have done if it was racial intolerance or whatever kind.

and then there is always the question how intolerant of intolerance can and must one be XD

let me not sideline this discussion. carry on.

[Fragony]

As I said, new isn't just a few years, 80 of them or so

[Fisherking]

As I said, new isn't just a few years, 80 of them or so

The first crusade was launched over similar issues. Forced conversion, murder of Christians, desiccation of shrines, and so on. While this was more the case of one regime perpetrating these acts of cruelty, rather than an entire faith, it did lead to a holey war. So it is a bit more than 80 years old. Lets hope we don’t find ourselves in another holey war...even though several have already declared it so.