This really has to stop

[Vuk]

That wasn't aimed at you, i just read the backroom and the amount of "expert" opinions and poorly cherrypicked arguments pretty much made my blood boil at this complete ignorance on the subject matter, it bears repeating since some people do actually live on mars you see.

Thank you for the wisdom, the logic, and all the sources. :)

[Husar]

Thank you for the wisdom, the logic, and all the sources. :)

Leet Eriksson doesn't have to prove his expertness here as he is a well-respected and well-known expert on middle-eastern affairs.
What you're doing is akin to questioning that Sarah Palin knows anything about being a governor in Alaska.

[Fragony]

See and this is how it's done, the 3 most important islamic organisations in Dutchieland volunteered to arrange security to guard our coptic churches that are also on the hitlist of hatebeards. That isn't just a nice gesture it also is a really brave one. Not too little, not too late, chapeau.

[rory_20_uk]

See and this is how it's done, the 3 most important islamic organisations in Dutchieland volunteered to arrange security to guard our coptic churches that are also on the hitlist of hatebeards. That isn't just a nice gesture it also is a really brave one. Not too little, not too late, chapeau.

A laudable gesture. BUT if anything goes wrong, it could turn nasty very quickly.

[Fragony]

A laudable gesture. BUT if anything goes wrong, it could turn nasty very quickly.

These organisations who volunteered to protect the copts will be attacked first by these bearded idiots, terrorism has it's own logic. It's really brave what they did. Hope the media isn't going to make too much of a point out of it

[rory_20_uk]

These organisations who volunteered to protect the copts will be attacked first by these bearded idiots, terrorism has it's own logic. It's really brave what they did. Hope the media isn't going to make too much of a point out of it

If the Terrorists are not idiots they'll leave the volunteer security alone and attack the Copts. If they really are being nasty they'll publicly thank those supposed to be defending the Copts for their support. Even if it's not true it'll be something of a PR disaster.

[Fragony]

If they are not idiots they'll leave them alone and attack the Copts. If they really are being nasty they'll publicly thank those supposed to be defending the Copts for their support. Even if it's not true it'll be something of a PR disaster.

They would achieve nothing by that you don't understand them, a public statement has been made, so they will have to make one as well, otherwise it looks like they are losing their grip on the faithfull, dissent is a much bigger crime

[Louis VI the Fat]

See and this is how it's done, the 3 most important islamic organisations in Dutchieland volunteered to arrange security to guard our coptic churches that are also on the hitlist of hatebeards. That isn't just a nice gesture it also is a really brave one. Not too little, not too late, chapeau.

Meh.

I respect their intention. Although I do not think every Muslim has to speak out every time some other Muslim somewhere around the world commits a crime.

But the result of all this is that foreign battles, concepts, divides are imported. Suddenly Europe is a battlefield between Christian and Islamic Egyptians, or rather between Islamic moderates and extremists. Not just physically, but also metally, politically. Pfff.....
It is not up to Islamic militias to protect churches, even if well intended. It is not up to them to decide who gets targeted by terror and who doesn't. If a Muslim wishes to protect his European society from Islamic terrorism, then he can join the police or the armed forces. This is the nature of 'integration'.

[Fragony]

I kinda accepted that it will be difficult