Fan-based map progression thread

[Arjos]

campaign testing

This got me giggling in excitement :D

[Blxz]

More little tidbits are always welcome. I do love it when they 'leak' little bits of information.

[Leon the Batavian]

I wonder if its possible to add some mouse over name labels to the factions progression map ?

[stratigos vasilios]

Hi all, had a small hiatus from the forum but I'm back to spam the threads once more! The map has been updated in a very minor way, so hopefully in upcoming previews we can add to the fan creation.

Hey guys, since the Bouiroi/Boii have been previewed, here's another tidbit of info for the map. The southern half of their white area should be removed. This is due to the chance of them becoming a superpower, or white death, too early on and giving their northern neighbors time to expand. They'll start with 2, not 3, provinces.

Done. That look somewhat similar to anything internal?

I wonder if its possible to add some mouse over name labels to the factions progression map ?

I'm not sure how to do that? Does anyone have any ideas?

[Blxz]

Any updates for the new arabian faction yet? Nabatea or however its spelt?

[stratigos vasilios]

Any updates for the new arabian faction yet? Nabatea or however its spelt?

OP Updated.

[Moros]

[Arjos]

Was looking at the possible locations map and imo it's a safe bet none of those will have a faction XD

Arabia and India had their fill...

Scandinavia and the northeastern Baltic will partially become Eremos and afaik there weren't large confederations, more deserving than other possible factions...
Same goes for Hibernia and Caledonia...

Belgae too close to the Rhine, in the 3rd century BC, the power centers would be around the Marne and Somme...

Veneti in Cisalpina didn't do much other than raid enemies, only when backed by greater powers...
Histria was ran over by Keltoi in the previous decades, before the EB start date and was settled by various tribes; while the Liburni lived in small communities, very little pastoral economy and raided the Adriatic, in league with other people...
Centers in the area were near the Shkoder, Dardania further inland, Singidunum and short-lived Tylis...

Armorica, that I know, was hardly united in the 3rd century, not even by the time of Caesar...
Aquitania, similar case, very few sources...

Pyrenees were settled by many small communities, each independent (Moros' map shows that at least the east is empty). Celtiberians would make a better candidate...

Mauretania I don't know in which state it was in the 3rd century, earlier there were phoenician commercial hubs. Maybe the Masaesyli held more power...

[Blxz]

Wow, Moros is really helpful. i will never believe all the horrible things people were saying about him now. =)

As for the orange shaded map in the OP, I don't think another arabian faction will be included in the eastern part. They did an entire arabian preview, I'd say that would likely cover that region. Also, weren't they only going to release 7 factions for the first release? By my counting we have our 7 announced. This means (if they haven't changed policy in the intervening years) that we are more likely to see a release than a new faction next. Although that doesn't put a timeline on it. Could still be a long long way off.

[Brennus]

Belgae too close to the Rhine, in the 3rd century BC, the power centers would be around the Marne and Somme...

How do you mean?

[Ca Putt]

@Arjos: Eastern spain, Belgium and Croatia are the most popular regions for speculation however. Which really does bond well with the map if you ask me. These Specualtions however are based on the assumtion, that all faction slots will be filled which is not quite likely afterall.

Also, weren't they only going to release 7 factions for the first release?

Interesting, could you link me to the orgin of this information. I've heard a lot of hints that suggest there will be at least one free faction slot but I have yet to see a statement like that black on white.

[Arjos]

Eastern spain, Belgium and Croatia

Those areas aren't exactly little :P
I was speaking precisely of the shaded provinces: the Celtiberi lived further inland (Guadalajara, Soria more or less); Croatia was pretty fractured between pannonian Keltoi, Histri and Liburni (to mention some), I was simply saying that organized supra-tribal entities were further south or east...

How do you mean?

Weren't the eastern tribes like Eburones, Nervi etc; part of a later migration possibly in the aftermath of the Cimbri or so?
And my point was focused on the tribes/confederacies that held most power in the 3rd century...

[Brennus]

Weren't the eastern tribes like Eburones, Nervi etc; part of a later migration possibly in the aftermath of the Cimbri or so?
And my point was focused on the tribes/confederacies that held most power in the 3rd century...

Correct, if I remember correct Caesar states that several of the Eastern Belgic tribes arrived with the Cimbri and Teutones. However archaeological evidence suggests that the "Belgian" Belgae were already in place by c.300BC.

[Arjos]

However archaeological evidence suggests that the "Belgian" Belgae were already in place by c.300BC.

Not so close to the Rhine though, right?
I wouldn't even have an idea about which tribe was holding power there...

Suessiones, Bellovaci and Ambiani settled near the rivers I mentioned...

have our 7 announced.

I remember team members saying that the 10 slots were all decided (in the new factions speculation thread I think), but whether they will release them or not I don't know...
Even though with the early era first release, I think it's not that crazy for all the 10 factions making it...

[Blxz]

I must be mistaken then. I thought I had read something a long time ago where someone in the team had said that not all the new factions would make it to the first release. I thought I had then read somewhere else that only 7 would be previewed for the first release. But of course I don't have any of the original comments to hand and its very possible that I am mis-remembering. If so then good news! We can see all the factions then.

[fightermedic]

8 slots decided and in the first release
2 still up to discussion (but i'm pretty sure they have strong candidates in mind and only lack proper research yet)
thats my understanding

[stratigos vasilios]

Haven't most people got their money on another Iberian faction or the Belgae?

[Brennus]

(and only lack proper research yet)

Brennus to the library!

[moonburn]

i still think that the arevaci are still going to get in as a faction (in an epic struggle against their arch rivals the belli ) and maybe just maybe an illergette faction was doable altough their "independence" ended on the end of the 2nd punic war when the romans proibited them on the peace agreament they made of raising another army (historic documents say they could easily raise an army of 28.000 well armed warriors as oppososed for instance to the lusitanians who never managed to gather armies with more then 12.000 even the great galba betrayal imprisioned 30.000 most of wich women and children)

anyway all my money is still on the arevaci getting in

[Ca Putt]

ah, that's a fair point Arjos. However this leaves us with 3 possible factions and no place to put them, thus I assume that The map was generated without new(unknown) factions added. But as you(well and ultimately brennus when it comes to Belgians[1]) know a fair share more about the tribes in the 3 regions of question, than me, you could fill me in if at least the province borders support certain "wellknown" factions. I suppose you don't have a ordnance map of 272.BC's Eastern Spain hanging on your wall and that the data at hand does not allow us to draw exact lines but so to speak: does that agree with what you(all of you not just Arjos) know of the tribes at hand?

My Info goes in that direction that all 10 slots are decided but that at least one(maybe more) will be kept open or rather not used/used for funny coding stuff. I think I've also heard of 7 being in on the first release, the question stands what will happen with the other 3 slots.[2]

With 7 factions announced, I think we can look forward to a few (II), EB I faction or general feature previews and a speedy(this year is not totally unlikely) release of the Gaza Campaign.

[1] I used the modern term to cover up my ignorance towards the "ranking" among tribes living in the general area of benelux and northeast France. aka I don't know who's more likly to get in: Belgae, Remi, Suessiones, Bellovaci....
[2] All of this could ofcource be wrong and only product of certain EB members information management.

[Arjos]

Found these, they are a bit small sorry :S



In EBI that would be the region of Numantia, bit smaller though...



All those tribes, which archaeology places in the early-mid 3rd century BC are situated between the rivers where it says Belgium in the map, which is pretty far from the Rhine.
I think Belgica is going to be redrawn in EBII (from moros' map, I can see two red dots, which should be ports), hopefully there's a landlocked province in the obscured area, otherwise that map is kinda saying no to the Belgae :P

[fightermedic]

hopefully there's a landlocked province in the obscured area, otherwise that map is kinda saying no to the Belgae :P

well the map wouldn't include the undecided factions
and since we all know that the arevaci will be in the first release ;) this doesn't exactly exclude the belgae i'd say

[moonburn]

herm the arevaci controlled 3 oppida being numantia the most well known and they shared celtiberia with 6 other tribes with diferent levels of intermingling and alliance that map either doesn´t show numatia (hey i don´t know it´s name in keltic) or the amount of oppidas/setlements they controlled seems exagerated in that map

in those regards the keltik and germanic social organisation seem similar since they prefered to live in smaller more scatered groups instead of great aglomerations where disease could wipe them out completly

[Arjos]

In that map Numantia should be Arekoratas (the oppida is in the north east of modern Soria). Rest are both arevacian and other oppida which they subjugated or inter-mixed with.

The Celtiberi as a whole settled an ever greater area:



Of course most of the sources write about the 2nd century BC wars and the celtiberian confederacy was formed around the mid 3rd century BC. The Arevaci in 272 BC would be controlling a smaller western portion of that land (archaeology indicates an eastern movement by the Arevaci, which culminated with the aforementioned confederacy).

[moonburn]

gracias it seemed something was off beteween the information provided and my sparse knowledge of the tribal relations

[stratigos vasilios]

Wow, nice Arjos!

[Ptolemaios]

With the new preview I thought I might dig up this thread.
When I now look at the gaps on the map (The Areuakoi included) there is definitly something lacking in the eastern balticum. This is only from a gameplay point of view, I don´t know if there are any other powerful enough tribes in that area, that would earn a faction slot. And I still think that the Belgae or a faction in Media would be cool.

[B-Wing]

Yeah, I almost certainly remember reading that the Scythians were not going to be faction, so I don't know who else would qualify for an east Baltic faction. Based on the trade maps in the Areuakoi preview, I don't think there's gonna be many settlements in that region, though.

I'm not sure one could make a strong case for their historical relevance, but I sure think the Veneti would be a good fit in the Armorica province (modern day Brittany). I just feel like someone needs to be in a position to challenge the Pritanoi for dominance of the British Isles, but it's already been stated that there will not be another faction on the isles themselves. A Belgian faction would do the same thing, though they'd be pressured on more sides.

And I think there's still room for an Illyrian or Celto-Illyrian faction.

[moonburn]

me likes b ray scordiscii or triballoi ramifications

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Wasn't sure whether to open a new thread about this or just post here. Who wants to discuss interesting things they found on the trade map and what they might mean for movement of provinces? So far I've noticed several missing towns/ports on those maps. The biggest one to me seems to be Sidon, there no longer appears to be a Phoenician city in the area. Ammonion and Augila are both gone thankfully. This cuts the Ptollies down by three provinces in Egypt/Levant, hopefully stalling creations of Yellow Deaths.

Also missing are the provinces on the islands of Lesbos and Euboia, both originally Makedonian. Can't really say what effect this would have on gameplay yet, but there is the addition of Ephesus which from prior previews would appear to be Ptolemaic.

Gotland is also missing as are a few of the Baltic provinces.

To balance this out I see an extra province in Skythia, an extra at the Indus basin and an extra in Western Iberia.

Does anybody else see anything interesting in the trade map? I'd like to start a discussion about these things.