A broken style of education

**a completely inoffensive name** · 01-04-2011, 05:00

I agree with this video for the most part, yet I always have to ask when I listen to the arguments of radically reforming education as to how exactly we implement this change. I would like all of your opinions, on the video:

http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinso...paradigms.html

EDIT: Actual youtube video here:

**Fragony** · 01-04-2011, 14:39

It's really not that difficult, here we don't put the brighter with the slower learners. You got to make a test at age 11 or twelve, and that determines the level you will start. If you get high marks you can move up it isn't a verdict. VMBO is easiest, and more practically orientated, Gymnasium is the toughest and is more academic. HAVO and Atheneum sit inbetween (although Gymnasium isn't harder than Atheneum, same exams). Works fine. You don't more teachers if you plan things right.

**HoreTore** · 01-04-2011, 15:04

He neatly symmed up my thoughts on the matter. And I do believe that you missed his point Frags, his point was in essence that the current system of education destroys our creative capability.

As to ACINs question of how to implement it: it honestly shouldn't be that hard. We judt need to realize that those with knowøedge should be running to show, not those without knowledge. You don't put s civil servsnt in charge of the Army, you let the generals run the show there. Why would you put a politician in charge of the education sector, instead of a professor of education?

Everyone educated in this field thinks along these lines. We should put them in charge and fire the useless people who don't have any updated knowledge in this field.

This is one of the reason why I'm very happy with my current government, our minister of education is handing over her power to those who know what they're talking about, and she follows their advice.

**Fragony** · 01-04-2011, 15:25

But it's boredom that kills creativity, I watched it halfway mind you, bit too many assumptions for my liking (and it's rather long

). I attended a great primary school runned by a band of old hippies, we never got any homework, you had to figure it out by yourself what to do and when. Sometimes we could lay down our work and teacher would read us from a book, which he was really good at. There was no structure at all complete laissez faire, only rule was to never exclude anyone. Really had to get used to the structure I had to endure in secondary, to being treated as a kid again, which you are when you are twelve but still

**The Stranger** · 01-04-2011, 18:37

Originally Posted by Fragony

But it's boredom that kills creativity, I watched it halfway mind you, bit too many assumptions for my liking (and it's rather long

). I attended a great primary school runned by a band of old hippies, we never got any homework, you had to figure it out by yourself what to do and when. Sometimes we could lay down our work and teacher would read us from a book, which he was really good at. There was no structure at all complete laissez faire, only rule was to never exclude anyone. Really had to get used to the structure I had to endure in secondary, to being treated as a kid again, which you are when you are twelve but still

how did you end up right wing? is it because you aged?

**Fragony** · 01-04-2011, 18:53

Originally Posted by The Stranger

how did you end up right wing? is it because you aged?

I'm not rightwing, I don't even vote PVV, I vote on the pirates. But I am certainly anti leftist bull

so I like Geertje. Would have prefered Fortuyn

**The Stranger** · 01-04-2011, 18:46

Originally Posted by Fragony

It's really not that difficult, here we don't put the brighter with the slower learners. You got to make a test at age 11 or twelve, and that determines the level you will start. If you get high marks you can move up it isn't a verdict. VMBO is easiest, and more practically orientated, Gymnasium is the toughest and is more academic. HAVO and Atheneum sit inbetween (although Gymnasium isn't harder than Atheneum, same exams). Works fine. You don't more teachers if you plan things right.

horetore has a point though, because even though the dutch system makes a difference between "intelligence" it is only "intelligence" measured in a certain way and for a certain system. if you are good at memorising things and a good work ethos but have very little creativity and general knowledge you have a better chance of becoming a top student than someone who is a bit lazy and a bit of a dreamer but with much imagination, creativity etc. and i think that this also what the movie is about, as horetore pointed out.

i've done gymnasium and trust me ive seen some of the dumbest people in my classroom. and i dont mean immature or i dont agree with what you say dumb, but really stupid i dont have a clue what is going on this world mommy will pay for my college anyway dumb. and ive had some of the most intelligent discussions with people who had little to no education.

another thing that should change though is the attitude of politics towards education and the teachers, they should be treated respectful and it should be a well payed job (not like im the chairman of exxon well, but decent i dont have to worry about my bills well) that will ensure that the teacher can give a full 100% because imo they have one of the most important jobs in the world.