Quote Originally Posted by Reenk Roink View Post
Besides, other players in the role of Naritsugu CERTAINLY wouldn't tolerate YOUR role in a mass vig killing group utilizing a neutral killer as well, all the while leaving pever open by using so many samurai...
And yet pevergreen passed on all of Pizza's information to me and endorsed the vigilante killings, simply asking that I not involve or target two specific people.

It depends on the player in the role, but you're utilisingabusing the position of pevergreen to your own ends; if pevergreen doesn't like the vigilante attacks, which he has already stated, then they stop, it's as simple as that.

This is definitely a problem. How did I basically admit to killing GE? The kill writeup is suggestive of me, agreed. However, you really cannot even open your mind to the possibility that it would be crafted in such a way to frame me?
So you're honestly saying that it's a set-up?

While I don't buy it personally, I'm not going to dismiss it as a possibility; if that's the case, you're either talking about someone who played the game (Beskar, autolycus, Skooma Addict are ones that I can recall) or you're suggesting me as the perpetrator.

Why can I not? Even if I had killed two people, it would still not stop me for criticizing you for killing more than two people.
Because it's hypocrisy! You're criticising me for "poor vig choices" and yet you have made equally poor ones yourself!

The champion of pever and I wanted to send a message to the vig groups due to poor kill choices, and ESPECIALLY the amount of people used in the kills.
In what sense were they poor kill choices? I'm willing to listen to what you have to say here.

Because it was an awesome move.
It was a completely foolish move, Reenk.

Of course this is a possibility. What is also true and you omit is that your role as organizer of the Mafia groups is also a perfect cover for the Mafia. Much better than mine indeed, as if you are Mafia, or become converted, you have much more resources with all the samurai rabble than myself of the champion of the Lord do.
Yeah, sure, organising vigilante attacks is a decent cover as well, but since I'm certain of my own innocence, why mention something that isn't a possibility?

"Much better" is subjective, by the way; pevergreen's expressed that we shouldn't touch you whatsoever, basically... you cannot get any better than being vouched for on the basis of "Reenk would never lie to me!".

By the way, were it not for pever disapproving, I would have certainly had you killed as soon as you started your organizations. Sasaki would also have been dead were it not for Lord pever.
I still fail to see how acting like this is conducive to a town victory.

Voting doesn't matter in this game, the cannon fodder thing is the only loss, as both Atpg and GE can certainly continue to offer their insights in the thread.
I wouldn't have agreed with this statement earlier today, but having learned that pevergreen can veto any lynch he wants, I find I have to agree... voting's pretty useless.

As compared to the blood on your hands compared to my ALLEGED hit list, you have killed more powerful townies who also have the cannon fodder attribute.
More powerful townies how? There's no evidence as to whether they had one strength or five, and while Pizza/God Emperor had zero strength, they were contributing more than the three targets killed by coordinated attacks.

Yes, yes, bring on the martyr complexion. Like the rest of the town, including myself don't want what's best for the Lord, but of course, if it clashes with your envisioned direction, it is wrong.
So, basically... you're allowed to threaten me with death, which let's not forget means I will lose no matter the game's outcome, and I'm supposed to be okay with that?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

How are they any more proven townie than all the vig targets you have killed? Give me a freakin' break.
So you're disputing that Pizza and God Emperor were town?

It seems to me that you are just bitter because the vigging is not going in the singular direction you want it to be. TOO BAD!
Hahaha! It doesn't have anything to do with bitterness or anything puerile like that; I can't believe you'd degenerate a good argument by resorting to stuff like that?

Treason. Blatant treason. Kill please.
We're playing for a town victory, not a peverreenk victory.

If this favouritism rubbish continues, what's the point in even following what pever says? We make a conscious lynch decision, he can override it on the slightest whim.

I'm playing to win the game with pever, not in spite of him.

I can't believe the irony is completely lost on you here. What is utterly silly is the way you have managed the vig kills. Our actions serve as a caricature of yours, with an attempted pedagogical purpose, but you are simply blinded by your weird sense of principles, and what seems like a mix of jealousy, bitterness, and lack of total control.
I'm not certain what you're trying to say here; what's the problem with the way that the vig-kills have been managed? I'm doing exactly what Pizza did, following his instructions to the letter and yet did you take him to task for it?

Oh yes, that's right! You killed him instead!

And what the hell is this "jealousy, bitterness and lack of control" tripe about, apart from descending into slating me personally again?

Unvote, Vote: Secura
If you really want to lynch me or vig-kill me, go for it... hell, get pever to override the lynch and do it for you, saves you the votes then.