The Way of the Samurai [Concluded]

[Secura]

unvote, after speaking to pevergreen.

If you want vigilante attacks to stop though, you should ensure that they all stop, Naritsugu.

[pevergreen]

vigilante attacks stop

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, personal feelings aside, town will be nothing but a disastrous failure if it doesn't have a single coordinated plan.

As the previous has been rejected, I can only offer support to pevergreen's plan and hope for the best, and encourage all townies to follow it exactly.

[Secura]

I mean all vigilante attacks, including Reenk's; this game cannot be one rule for some, another for everyone else... we'll just lose that way.

[Reenk Roink]

Reenk, I know that you die early quite often in mafia games these days,

That's been what, 2 games, TAS and CoV, that I've died early. Other games I've played within the year I've lasted long, so no biggie. And in the past I've been able to survive in games when I would take a step back and say "man why didn't they lynch me for saying that or doing that?" so I'm not some sort of UltraWar victim here, don't worry. I was killed/lynched off very early frequently way back when, but that doesn't happen much now.

and I know that you rarely sign up unless the concept of the game entices you enough...

Very true.

but is this really the way to play?

Of course. On top of the extremely nice and novel mechanics of this game which allow for some great gameplay moves, pever is the Lord. You think I won't exploit this situation for all the fun and interesting possibilities it offers.

Other players in the role of Naritsugu wouldn't tolerate this, but it seems that because it's pever, you're allowed to literally get away with murder.

Certainly that's true, but we are not speaking of abstract hypotheticals here, we are talking about a very specific situation, so let's stick to it.

Besides, other players in the role of Naritsugu CERTAINLY wouldn't tolerate YOUR role in a mass vig killing group utilizing a neutral killer as well, all the while leaving pever open by using so many samurai...

So be careful of whining about the situation, k?

You cannot basically admit to killing God Emperor and then tell me not to accuse you of doing just that; it's obvious to anyone with half a brain cell that you're the killer, given the context of the narrative surrounding the kill.

This is definitely a problem. How did I basically admit to killing GE? The kill writeup is suggestive of me, agreed. However, you really cannot even open your mind to the possibility that it would be crafted in such a way to frame me? This isn't some brand new idea either, it has happened many times before.

Nor can you claim that myself or Pizza made poorly thought out vigilante kill choices when you have killed two people with zero strength.

Why can I not? Even if I had killed two people, it would still not stop me for criticizing you for killing more than two people.

What was the reason for killing Pizza?

The champion of pever and I wanted to send a message to the vig groups due to poor kill choices, and ESPECIALLY the amount of people used in the kills. There was also another reason for attacking Atpg, and indeed anyone who loses a duel. You will not come to know of it yet. Atpg and GE can PM me if they want to know.

And why the Dickens would you sanction such a move, pever?!

Because it was an awesome move.

You and I both know that the close bond with pevergreen could be the perfect cover for a mafioso to hide under, and yet we're not allowed to touch you because pevergreen specifically says so?

Of course this is a possibility. What is also true and you omit is that your role as organizer of the Mafia groups is also a perfect cover for the Mafia. Much better than mine indeed, as if you are Mafia, or become converted, you have much more resources with all the samurai rabble than myself of the champion of the Lord do.

By the way, were it not for pever disapproving, I would have certainly had you killed as soon as you started your organizations. Sasaki would also have been dead were it not for Lord pever (also think on that before you act like I had something to do with GE's death). So don't only act like your sword has been restrained by pever.

Even if you're not mafia, it's still foolish because you killed two town-aligned voters and ensured that the mafia weren't able to waste a kill on them... that's a bad choice in both regards.

Voting doesn't matter in this game, the cannon fodder thing is the only loss, as both Atpg and GE can certainly continue to offer their insights in the thread.

As compared to the blood on your hands compared to my ALLEGED hit list, you have killed more powerful townies who also have the cannon fodder attribute. Can you honestly not see beyond me for a second?

The peverreenk thing was real cute and everything,

Cute? I think she is patronizing us Lord pever...

and I was fine with supporting it and leaving you be... but I will not tolerate being threatened with death for actually trying to lead the town and keep the game going in some direction.

Yes, yes, bring on the martyr complexion. Like the rest of the town, including myself don't want what's best for the Lord, but of course, if it clashes with your envisioned direction, it is wrong.

I also won't stand for someone killing people who're basically proven to be town simply for gits and shiggles.

How are they any more proven townie than all the vig targets you have killed? Give me a freakin' break. Besides this game features conversion. By the way the "gits and shiggles" would only be icing on the cake for our alleged kills.

It seems to me that you are just bitter because the vigging is not going in the singular direction you want it to be. TOO BAD! Stop vigging, and myself and the champion of the Lord will lose much of our justification as well.

I also refuse to support a nepotist for a leader, because his intentions are not even remotely altruistic and are only counter-productive to a town victory. While we require pevergreen to survive the game in order to win, we can do that while ignoring what he says because he could well be (unknowingly) vetoing votes against mafia for all we know.

Treason. Blatant treason. Kill please.

Someone has to make a stand, and since you killed Pizza, it's going to have to be me. I will lose the game if I die, so it doesn't matter either way; I'll still have my integrity because I distanced myself from this utterly silly manner in which you're approaching the game.

I can't believe the irony is completely lost on you here. What is utterly silly is the way you have managed the vig kills. Our actions serve as a caricature of yours, with an attempted pedagogical purpose, but you are simply blinded by your weird sense of principles, and what seems like a mix of jealousy, bitterness, and lack of total control.

unvote, vote: Reenk Roink

Unvote, Vote: Secura

[Diamondeye]

vote: Reenk Roink

[Secura]

Besides, other players in the role of Naritsugu CERTAINLY wouldn't tolerate YOUR role in a mass vig killing group utilizing a neutral killer as well, all the while leaving pever open by using so many samurai...

And yet pevergreen passed on all of Pizza's information to me and endorsed the vigilante killings, simply asking that I not involve or target two specific people.

It depends on the player in the role, but you're utilisingabusing the position of pevergreen to your own ends; if pevergreen doesn't like the vigilante attacks, which he has already stated, then they stop, it's as simple as that.

This is definitely a problem. How did I basically admit to killing GE? The kill writeup is suggestive of me, agreed. However, you really cannot even open your mind to the possibility that it would be crafted in such a way to frame me?

So you're honestly saying that it's a set-up?

While I don't buy it personally, I'm not going to dismiss it as a possibility; if that's the case, you're either talking about someone who played the game (Beskar, autolycus, Skooma Addict are ones that I can recall) or you're suggesting me as the perpetrator.

Why can I not? Even if I had killed two people, it would still not stop me for criticizing you for killing more than two people.

Because it's hypocrisy! You're criticising me for "poor vig choices" and yet you have made equally poor ones yourself!

The champion of pever and I wanted to send a message to the vig groups due to poor kill choices, and ESPECIALLY the amount of people used in the kills.

In what sense were they poor kill choices? I'm willing to listen to what you have to say here.

Because it was an awesome move.

It was a completely foolish move, Reenk.

Of course this is a possibility. What is also true and you omit is that your role as organizer of the Mafia groups is also a perfect cover for the Mafia. Much better than mine indeed, as if you are Mafia, or become converted, you have much more resources with all the samurai rabble than myself of the champion of the Lord do.

Yeah, sure, organising vigilante attacks is a decent cover as well, but since I'm certain of my own innocence, why mention something that isn't a possibility?

"Much better" is subjective, by the way; pevergreen's expressed that we shouldn't touch you whatsoever, basically... you cannot get any better than being vouched for on the basis of "Reenk would never lie to me!".

By the way, were it not for pever disapproving, I would have certainly had you killed as soon as you started your organizations. Sasaki would also have been dead were it not for Lord pever.

I still fail to see how acting like this is conducive to a town victory.

Voting doesn't matter in this game, the cannon fodder thing is the only loss, as both Atpg and GE can certainly continue to offer their insights in the thread.

I wouldn't have agreed with this statement earlier today, but having learned that pevergreen can veto any lynch he wants, I find I have to agree... voting's pretty useless.

As compared to the blood on your hands compared to my ALLEGED hit list, you have killed more powerful townies who also have the cannon fodder attribute.

More powerful townies how? There's no evidence as to whether they had one strength or five, and while Pizza/God Emperor had zero strength, they were contributing more than the three targets killed by coordinated attacks.

Yes, yes, bring on the martyr complexion. Like the rest of the town, including myself don't want what's best for the Lord, but of course, if it clashes with your envisioned direction, it is wrong.

So, basically... you're allowed to threaten me with death, which let's not forget means I will lose no matter the game's outcome, and I'm supposed to be okay with that?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

How are they any more proven townie than all the vig targets you have killed? Give me a freakin' break.

So you're disputing that Pizza and God Emperor were town?

It seems to me that you are just bitter because the vigging is not going in the singular direction you want it to be. TOO BAD!

Hahaha! It doesn't have anything to do with bitterness or anything puerile like that; I can't believe you'd degenerate a good argument by resorting to stuff like that?

Treason. Blatant treason. Kill please.

We're playing for a town victory, not a peverreenk victory.

If this favouritism rubbish continues, what's the point in even following what pever says? We make a conscious lynch decision, he can override it on the slightest whim.

I'm playing to win the game with pever, not in spite of him.

I can't believe the irony is completely lost on you here. What is utterly silly is the way you have managed the vig kills. Our actions serve as a caricature of yours, with an attempted pedagogical purpose, but you are simply blinded by your weird sense of principles, and what seems like a mix of jealousy, bitterness, and lack of total control.

I'm not certain what you're trying to say here; what's the problem with the way that the vig-kills have been managed? I'm doing exactly what Pizza did, following his instructions to the letter and yet did you take him to task for it?

Oh yes, that's right! You killed him instead!

And what the hell is this "jealousy, bitterness and lack of control" tripe about, apart from descending into slating me personally again?

Unvote, Vote: Secura

If you really want to lynch me or vig-kill me, go for it... hell, get pever to override the lynch and do it for you, saves you the votes then.

[Diamondeye]

I'd vote RR again if I could out of principle. I wouldn't be sad to see him lynched today.

That said; Vigilante crew (formerly ATPG's guys), want to break RR tonight? I think we can take him if we're 8.

[Reenk Roink]

I'd vote RR again if I could out of principle. I wouldn't be sad to see him lynched today.

That said; Vigilante crew (formerly ATPG's guys), want to break RR tonight? I think we can take him if we're 8.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

slash claims to have received a role that means he now works with the town?

unvote, vote:slashandburn

I suppose if reenk ends up lynched we will see if pever can choose the lynch after all.