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Originally Posted by Beskar:
- Converted to Protestant
>_>- Converted to Protestant
Ah well, we're bloody huge now.
http://www.filefront.com/17868968/Germany_Borg.eu3
OK, got in a 14 year reign. Beskar left me with just about full infamy, but between a new embassy and getting the Cabinet Idea it's now going down at -.65 a year. It's at about 27 now. -_-' It'll speed up when we get cores on a few HRE states, or Triforce can release them as vassals.
My king ruled from 1643 - 1657, and it was a cakewalk. Thanks to Beskar I had about a dozen doomstacks (he named one after each of us playing and then there were a few more spares) and they are effectively unstoppable. We're raking in plenty of cash, we've got good relations and a personal union with Burgundy, which is huge and the only potential threat on the continent to us. There are a few non-Protestant provinces but they're rapidly getting converted; I think I started without about 20-25 missionaries running and it's down to like 5-10.
I basically just cleaned up some of the cores we had but didn't own - no infamy gains!
>Wien, rolled over them then Milan to get it, Austria is now an OPM on the Italian coast. Also took about 1600 gold from them in the process :D
>Switzerland had two provinces remaining, annexed them
>Croatia was owned by Aqueila but we had a core, grabbed that and WP'd a few of the Italian states who tried to stop me
>Istria was owned by Croatia but later Bulgaria got it (and they were an Otto vassal so I don't know how that happened). Attacked Bulgaria for it, had to smash the Turks. This was easy because they were already at -2 stab, way overextended into the Golden Horde territories, and had just 13k troops in Macedonia and nothing in the Anatolian peninsula. Visited Constantinople and was carving my way through Anatolia when I decided to settle for Istria, release of Bulgaria as a vassal, and 150 gold (all they had).
To further cement our position I also allied with Great Britain (because they kept asking me).
Got about 10k in the bank and a 5-6 year regency for the future King Wilhelm, a 9/9/7 genius.
OK, got in a 14 year reign. Beskar left me with just about full infamy, but between a new embassy and getting the Cabinet Idea it's now going down at -.65 a year. It's at about 27 now. -_-' It'll speed up when we get cores on a few HRE states, or Triforce can release them as vassals.
My king ruled from 1643 - 1657, and it was a cakewalk. Thanks to Beskar I had about a dozen doomstacks (he named one after each of us playing and then there were a few more spares) and they are effectively unstoppable. We're raking in plenty of cash, we've got good relations and a personal union with Burgundy, which is huge and the only potential threat on the continent to us. There are a few non-Protestant provinces but they're rapidly getting converted; I think I started without about 20-25 missionaries running and it's down to like 5-10.
I basically just cleaned up some of the cores we had but didn't own - no infamy gains!
>Wien, rolled over them then Milan to get it, Austria is now an OPM on the Italian coast. Also took about 1600 gold from them in the process :D
>Switzerland had two provinces remaining, annexed them
>Croatia was owned by Aqueila but we had a core, grabbed that and WP'd a few of the Italian states who tried to stop me
>Istria was owned by Croatia but later Bulgaria got it (and they were an Otto vassal so I don't know how that happened). Attacked Bulgaria for it, had to smash the Turks. This was easy because they were already at -2 stab, way overextended into the Golden Horde territories, and had just 13k troops in Macedonia and nothing in the Anatolian peninsula. Visited Constantinople and was carving my way through Anatolia when I decided to settle for Istria, release of Bulgaria as a vassal, and 150 gold (all they had).
To further cement our position I also allied with Great Britain (because they kept asking me).
Got about 10k in the bank and a 5-6 year regency for the future King Wilhelm, a 9/9/7 genius.
Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good:
http://www.filefront.com/17868968/Germany_Borg.eu3
OK, got in a 14 year reign. Beskar left me with just about full infamy, but between a new embassy and getting the Cabinet Idea it's now going down at -.65 a year. It's at about 27 now. -_-' It'll speed up when we get cores on a few HRE states, or Triforce can release them as vassals.
My king ruled from 1643 - 1657, and it was a cakewalk. Thanks to Beskar I had about a dozen doomstacks (he named one after each of us playing and then there were a few more spares) and they are effectively unstoppable. We're raking in plenty of cash, we've got good relations and a personal union with Burgundy, which is huge and the only potential threat on the continent to us. There are a few non-Protestant provinces but they're rapidly getting converted; I think I started without about 20-25 missionaries running and it's down to like 5-10.
I basically just cleaned up some of the cores we had but didn't own - no infamy gains!
>Wien, rolled over them then Milan to get it, Austria is now an OPM on the Italian coast. Also took about 1600 gold from them in the process :D
>Switzerland had two provinces remaining, annexed them
>Croatia was owned by Aqueila but we had a core, grabbed that and WP'd a few of the Italian states who tried to stop me
>Istria was owned by Croatia but later Bulgaria got it (and they were an Otto vassal so I don't know how that happened). Attacked Bulgaria for it, had to smash the Turks. This was easy because they were already at -2 stab, way overextended into the Golden Horde territories, and had just 13k troops in Macedonia and nothing in the Anatolian peninsula. Visited Constantinople and was carving my way through Anatolia when I decided to settle for Istria, release of Bulgaria as a vassal, and 150 gold (all they had).
To further cement our position I also allied with Great Britain (because they kept asking me).
Got about 10k in the bank and a 5-6 year regency for the future King Wilhelm, a 9/9/7 genius.
A Regency!?,http://www.filefront.com/17868968/Germany_Borg.eu3
OK, got in a 14 year reign. Beskar left me with just about full infamy, but between a new embassy and getting the Cabinet Idea it's now going down at -.65 a year. It's at about 27 now. -_-' It'll speed up when we get cores on a few HRE states, or Triforce can release them as vassals.
My king ruled from 1643 - 1657, and it was a cakewalk. Thanks to Beskar I had about a dozen doomstacks (he named one after each of us playing and then there were a few more spares) and they are effectively unstoppable. We're raking in plenty of cash, we've got good relations and a personal union with Burgundy, which is huge and the only potential threat on the continent to us. There are a few non-Protestant provinces but they're rapidly getting converted; I think I started without about 20-25 missionaries running and it's down to like 5-10.
I basically just cleaned up some of the cores we had but didn't own - no infamy gains!
>Wien, rolled over them then Milan to get it, Austria is now an OPM on the Italian coast. Also took about 1600 gold from them in the process :D
>Switzerland had two provinces remaining, annexed them
>Croatia was owned by Aqueila but we had a core, grabbed that and WP'd a few of the Italian states who tried to stop me
>Istria was owned by Croatia but later Bulgaria got it (and they were an Otto vassal so I don't know how that happened). Attacked Bulgaria for it, had to smash the Turks. This was easy because they were already at -2 stab, way overextended into the Golden Horde territories, and had just 13k troops in Macedonia and nothing in the Anatolian peninsula. Visited Constantinople and was carving my way through Anatolia when I decided to settle for Istria, release of Bulgaria as a vassal, and 150 gold (all they had).
To further cement our position I also allied with Great Britain (because they kept asking me).
Got about 10k in the bank and a 5-6 year regency for the future King Wilhelm, a 9/9/7 genius.
Seriously.. Can I play the regency and the King aswell, can't really do much with a Regency :-(
Originally Posted by TriforceV:
A Regency!?,
Seriously.. Can I play the regency and the King aswell, can't really do much with a Regency :-(
If the regency lasts for under a year, yup.A Regency!?,
Seriously.. Can I play the regency and the King aswell, can't really do much with a Regency :-(
Pray for a "Heir falls ill" event.
Or "Hunting Accident"
Or one of the others.
Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good:
http://www.filefront.com/17868968/Germany_Borg.eu3
OK, got in a 14 year reign. Beskar left me with just about full infamy, but between a new embassy and getting the Cabinet Idea it's now going down at -.65 a year. It's at about 27 now. -_-'
:embarrassed: I hoped to have decreased some of the infamy myself.http://www.filefront.com/17868968/Germany_Borg.eu3
OK, got in a 14 year reign. Beskar left me with just about full infamy, but between a new embassy and getting the Cabinet Idea it's now going down at -.65 a year. It's at about 27 now. -_-'
Originally Posted by :
My king ruled from 1643 - 1657, and it was a cakewalk. Thanks to Beskar I had about a dozen doomstacks (he named one after each of us playing and then there were a few more spares) and they are effectively unstoppable. We're raking in plenty of cash, we've got good relations and a personal union with Burgundy, which is huge and the only potential threat on the continent to us. There are a few non-Protestant provinces but they're rapidly getting converted; I think I started without about 20-25 missionaries running and it's down to like 5-10.
I basically just cleaned up some of the cores we had but didn't own - no infamy gains!
>Wien, rolled over them then Milan to get it, Austria is now an OPM on the Italian coast. Also took about 1600 gold from them in the process :D
>Switzerland had two provinces remaining, annexed them
>Croatia was owned by Aqueila but we had a core, grabbed that and WP'd a few of the Italian states who tried to stop me
>Istria was owned by Croatia but later Bulgaria got it (and they were an Otto vassal so I don't know how that happened). Attacked Bulgaria for it, had to smash the Turks. This was easy because they were already at -2 stab, way overextended into the Golden Horde territories, and had just 13k troops in Macedonia and nothing in the Anatolian peninsula. Visited Constantinople and was carving my way through Anatolia when I decided to settle for Istria, release of Bulgaria as a vassal, and 150 gold (all they had).
I am glad you was still able to have a good play. My king ruled from 1643 - 1657, and it was a cakewalk. Thanks to Beskar I had about a dozen doomstacks (he named one after each of us playing and then there were a few more spares) and they are effectively unstoppable. We're raking in plenty of cash, we've got good relations and a personal union with Burgundy, which is huge and the only potential threat on the continent to us. There are a few non-Protestant provinces but they're rapidly getting converted; I think I started without about 20-25 missionaries running and it's down to like 5-10.
I basically just cleaned up some of the cores we had but didn't own - no infamy gains!
>Wien, rolled over them then Milan to get it, Austria is now an OPM on the Italian coast. Also took about 1600 gold from them in the process :D
>Switzerland had two provinces remaining, annexed them
>Croatia was owned by Aqueila but we had a core, grabbed that and WP'd a few of the Italian states who tried to stop me
>Istria was owned by Croatia but later Bulgaria got it (and they were an Otto vassal so I don't know how that happened). Attacked Bulgaria for it, had to smash the Turks. This was easy because they were already at -2 stab, way overextended into the Golden Horde territories, and had just 13k troops in Macedonia and nothing in the Anatolian peninsula. Visited Constantinople and was carving my way through Anatolia when I decided to settle for Istria, release of Bulgaria as a vassal, and 150 gold (all they had).
But yeah, ottoman empire stretched from Italy to China. A monster.Originally Posted by :
Got about 10k in the bank and a 5-6 year regency for the future King Wilhelm, a 9/9/7 genius.
Cecil is going to be over the moon with that beast.Got about 10k in the bank and a 5-6 year regency for the future King Wilhelm, a 9/9/7 genius.
Originally Posted by pevergreen:
If the regency lasts for under a year, yup.
Pray for a "Heir falls ill" event.
Or "Hunting Accident"
Or one of the others.
Seriously...If the regency lasts for under a year, yup.
Pray for a "Heir falls ill" event.
Or "Hunting Accident"
Or one of the others.
I would be alright if Alexander wants to continue the turn until a new king comes to throne,
A regency is an intrium period of inactivity because their is no leader,
Hence me as a player (leader), I shouldn't get burdened down with a regency, it lacks the succession part of the whole game.
At any rate, I'll wait for TimCow's say on this specifically, since he is the moderator for clarification on this troubling point.
And whatever he decides ill comply, no matter how distasteful it is
Don't worry about it Beskar, I should've put more smiley's in the post since I wasn't upset - more like amused. :P And you guys have all done the heavy lifting, and I've gotten to smash people with a well-oiled military machine. Works for me. :D
I'd be in favor of letting Triforce play the regency and the monarch if you guys want, or I could even try playing til Wilhelm comes of age (assuming he doesn't die) but then again it's not my turn, I'd like to hear TinCow's and Cecil's opinions on it.
I'd be in favor of letting Triforce play the regency and the monarch if you guys want, or I could even try playing til Wilhelm comes of age (assuming he doesn't die) but then again it's not my turn, I'd like to hear TinCow's and Cecil's opinions on it.
Originally Posted by TinCow:
A regency would be treated like a normal reign, so it goes to a different person who plays the regency and hands it off when the heir comes of age (unless that is less than one year).
A regency would be treated like a normal reign, so it goes to a different person who plays the regency and hands it off when the heir comes of age (unless that is less than one year).
Originally Posted by pevergreen:
Will play in several hours.
Sucks I get the regency.
Will play in several hours.
Sucks I get the regency.
Originally Posted by miotas:
Too bad you didn't get to play for that long, how did we go straight from no heir to a king?
There you go Triforce.Too bad you didn't get to play for that long, how did we go straight from no heir to a king?
Originally Posted by pevergreen:
There you go Triforce.
I wasn't aware other people got the Regency...There you go Triforce.
Ohh well, I guess I'll just play and hope for the best.
Gotta be tomorrow though...
Sorry about the Regency, but I don't want to change the rules mid-game since other people have had to deal with short reigns as well. For the next game, I would consider extending the 1-year period for a death to something longer. Would 5 years be too long?
I only had my King for six years and couldn't do anything due to high infamy; it happens. :3
Originally Posted by TinCow:
Sorry about the Regency, but I don't want to change the rules mid-game since other people have had to deal with short reigns as well. For the next game, I would consider extending the 1-year period for a death to something longer. Would 5 years be too long?
Nah, I understand that people have short reigns, as kings die prematurely, yet regency's are the absence of a king, so when i give my report I don't feel like I've played an actual king...Sorry about the Regency, but I don't want to change the rules mid-game since other people have had to deal with short reigns as well. For the next game, I would consider extending the 1-year period for a death to something longer. Would 5 years be too long?
Perhaps in the future, in another campaign if a Regency happens, then the player either may continue to play until a new king comes of age, or the following player should play the regency and the new king....
I have no problem with short reigns, as it happens (although extending it to 2 years would be fair).
At any rate, I'll play the regency right now, sorry to make such a huff about it
The Short Regency Council of Germany:
1657-1661
1657-1661
some rebellious elements were put down.
A university is being built in Novgorod (i felt like building something substantial).
And England dragged us into a war, mainly for colonial gains in South America, which amounted to very little gain.
Long live the new King
Here is the turn:
http://www.mediafire.com/?8jlfzdt9nu4284u
Maybe for the next game our turn should simply be tied to the life a ruler, regardless of whether they start in a regency or not.
Originally Posted by miotas:
Maybe for the next game our turn should simply be tied to the life a ruler, regardless of whether they start in a regency or not.
Yeah, I'm thinking that would be best as well.Maybe for the next game our turn should simply be tied to the life a ruler, regardless of whether they start in a regency or not.
Originally Posted by TinCow:
Yeah, I'm thinking that would be best as well.
As my turn in the Aragorn thing shows, Heirs dont live forever.Yeah, I'm thinking that would be best as well.
I should have the report for my turn up tomorrow.
EDIT: A little bit of expansion ever where, taking a few provinces in the Netherlands, a few in Italy, a few in Hungary, a few in France, finishing of the Ukraine, and a fair number in Scandanavia. Had to fight Britain and Castile over the course of the latter. Denmark is an OPM, annexing them should get us the Sound Toll. Accidentally got Wehrmacht Beskar destroyed in North America, although I've already queued up most of the replacements in Riga. Also created a third fleet in the mediterranean, GBS Heinrich. Converted most, if not all provinces and cored a bunch too.
http://www.mediafire.com/?vwbhmn3npiosubh
EDIT: A little bit of expansion ever where, taking a few provinces in the Netherlands, a few in Italy, a few in Hungary, a few in France, finishing of the Ukraine, and a fair number in Scandanavia. Had to fight Britain and Castile over the course of the latter. Denmark is an OPM, annexing them should get us the Sound Toll. Accidentally got Wehrmacht Beskar destroyed in North America, although I've already queued up most of the replacements in Riga. Also created a third fleet in the mediterranean, GBS Heinrich. Converted most, if not all provinces and cored a bunch too.
http://www.mediafire.com/?vwbhmn3npiosubh
Will get started on my turn tonight. Hopefully it's a short one, otherwise time constraints might force me to do this over a couple days.
There is a new EU3 DW patch which fixes a lot of the Holy Roman Empire and cascading alliance stuff.
Filefront Mirror
Change log:
I mirror'd it on filefront simply because the paradox link is faulty (took me 9 download attempts)
Not sure if TinCow wants us to patch up or not though. Just letting you all know. The checksum is: ZMFD
Filefront Mirror
Change log:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
I mirror'd it on filefront simply because the paradox link is faulty (took me 9 download attempts)
Not sure if TinCow wants us to patch up or not though. Just letting you all know. The checksum is: ZMFD
Originally Posted by Beskar:
There is a new EU3 DW patch which fixes a lot of the Holy Roman Empire and casading alliance stuff.
Filefront Mirror
I mirror'd it on filefront simply because the paradox link is faulty (took me 9 download attempts)
Not sure if TinCow wants us to patch up or not though. Just letting you all know. The checksum is: ZMFD
Is it save game compatible?There is a new EU3 DW patch which fixes a lot of the Holy Roman Empire and casading alliance stuff.
Filefront Mirror
I mirror'd it on filefront simply because the paradox link is faulty (took me 9 download attempts)
Not sure if TinCow wants us to patch up or not though. Just letting you all know. The checksum is: ZMFD
Originally Posted by TinCow:
Is it save game compatible?
According to Johann, it is. The Devs MP Campaign wasn't affected by the changes.Is it save game compatible?
I just loaded the saved game (Cecil's) using it, and it seemed fine.
Just added the changelog to my previous post.
Thanks, I will use the patch then.
- Clicking the save game tab no longer takes forever if you've got a couple of saves
Haha YES!
Haha YES!
Cool, new patch
Wasn't able to finish my reign last night, sorry. I should be able to finish it tonight though. I added another 5 corps to the army and it's really just a question of taking as much as we can within BB limits. It's very, very annoying to not only have the HRE still around at this point, but to also be Emperor (which prevents me from dissolving it myself). Conquest would be a lot easier without all the HRE penalties to infamy. Integration of Burgundy would even be feasible under those circumstances, but it's impossible as long as the HRE remains.
Don't the HRE infamy penalties only apply to HRE provinces without cores?
Originally Posted by Cecil XIX:
Don't the HRE infamy penalties only apply to HRE provinces without cores?
Yes, but as Emperor I can't remove those provinces from the Empire because I can't leave the Empire. That's not a big deal if you're just taking over a few non-core provinces, but at some point Burgundy joined the HRE. I don't even want to imagine how much of an infamy penalty we would get from integrating them, that would be something like 40+ non-core HRE provinces. Of course, absorbing Burgundy isn't necessary at all, but you guys have made Germany such a beast that it would have been awesome to try and take over all of France with them as well. I've had to settle for oppressing the assorted minors and slapping around the Balkan states. Don't the HRE infamy penalties only apply to HRE provinces without cores?
Do it. By sheer luck in one game as Milan (Italy) I inherited France. Spain didn't like it but at that point it became a unify Europe game.
Originally Posted by Vladimir:
Do it. By sheer luck in one game as Milan (Italy) I inherited France. Spain didn't like it but at that point it became a unify Europe game.
Doing it with the HRE still intact will result in the total collapse of the faction. This isn't EU3 vanilla, there's a lot more to worry about now than BB wars when you go over the infamy limit. The BB wars we could easily handle, but the events themselves are the real problem. I tested it just to see what the final numbers would be, and integration would result in something like +5.5 infamy per year due to non-core HRE territories. There is no way to increase our infamy reduction beyond about -2.5 per year (and that's with a good Diplo leader), so integrating Burgundy would result in over +3 infamy per year for 50 years until the territories cored. Integration also adds about 50ish infamy instantly simply due to the number of territories, which puts us over the badboy limit even from 0. Add +150 infamy over 50 years to the starting 50ish infamy, and we wind up with about 200 infamy to burn when the provinces core 50 years later. At a bit over 2 infamy per year deterioration, it would take about 80 more years beyond the first 50 just to get back under the BB limit. So, we'd have to survive with the constant barrage of BB limit events for about 130 years, and that's assuming we don't get ANY more BB during that entire time. I personally do not think that could be done, nor would I want to spend my reign dealing with it even if it could.Do it. By sheer luck in one game as Milan (Italy) I inherited France. Spain didn't like it but at that point it became a unify Europe game.
Now... if a later player wants to dissolve the HRE, then it's a completely different story. In that scenario, you'd only have to deal with a few years over the BB limit if you let it drop to 0 before you integrated. That's easily survivable.
Ok, finished. Died in 1748 after a very long reign. My only serious enemy was the badboy limit , which I was constantly dancing close to the line on (our standing army is currently 500,000 strong). The events are pretty minimal. Generally grabbed as many provinces as I could for as little infamy as I could, but additions weren't that huge due to the need to constantly draw down infamy, even with constant 5-6 star diplomats. Couldn't be bothered to reduce Denmark to a OPM to annex it, so it is now part of a Personal Union along with Burgundy. I did my best to get rid of all the little 'holes' in our territory, though a few more opened up as I expanded. We are making progress towards having Protestantism be the only Christian religion. There are only 7 Orthodox provinces left in the world and no Orthodox nations. There are about 17 Reformed provinces left, and only 3 Reformed nations, two of them OPMs. I also switched to Constitutional Monarchy for no particular reason whatsoever. Was tempted to go back to Despotic Monarchy for the infamy limit increase, but decided not to be so regressive.
I also intentionally let relations lapse with the Electors, so we are no longer the Holy Roman Emperor. The Emperor is now Austria, who we are conveniently at war with (Note: there is current a fleet with an army on board sailing to South America to fight Austria. It is in the Med near Tunisia.) If the next player feels like a bit of creative warmongering, it would now theoretically be possible to dissolve the HRE and integrate Burgundy. That will still bump us way over the BB limit for a while, but I think it would be survivable if we were at 0 BB when it was done. It would also look really, really awesome.
A final note, I left the idea slot I got open because I didn't feel like I really needed any of the ideas. So, I let it sit since we're closing in on the tech level 53 ideas. Feel free to do whatever you want with the open slot. I also have not upgraded the fleets to the latest ships, as the Two Deckers have been doing a perfectly fine job and I was too lazy to click that many times.
Current Map of Europe:
http://www.filefront.com/17890816/Germany1748_02_19.zip
I also intentionally let relations lapse with the Electors, so we are no longer the Holy Roman Emperor. The Emperor is now Austria, who we are conveniently at war with (Note: there is current a fleet with an army on board sailing to South America to fight Austria. It is in the Med near Tunisia.) If the next player feels like a bit of creative warmongering, it would now theoretically be possible to dissolve the HRE and integrate Burgundy. That will still bump us way over the BB limit for a while, but I think it would be survivable if we were at 0 BB when it was done. It would also look really, really awesome.
A final note, I left the idea slot I got open because I didn't feel like I really needed any of the ideas. So, I let it sit since we're closing in on the tech level 53 ideas. Feel free to do whatever you want with the open slot. I also have not upgraded the fleets to the latest ships, as the Two Deckers have been doing a perfectly fine job and I was too lazy to click that many times.
Current Map of Europe:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
http://www.filefront.com/17890816/Germany1748_02_19.zip
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