EU3: Divine Wind Succession Game

[TriforceV]

just a question actually.
Would anyone be interested in maybe another EU Succession game?
This time, instead of a smaller country like Aragon, we maybe try a larger kingdom like France? might make things more flexible and easier for all players involved
I'll have to admit the suspense of waiting for my turn to come is killing me...

this way if we have two games, everyones turn for either one will come alittle quicker.
I'm just asking if anyone is interested.. if not then forget I said anything.

[Secura]

The only nations that would even look at Aragon twice were Urbino, Siena and Sicily... everyone else wouldn't allow any form of diplomatic relations whatsoever, and I didn't have the ducats to convince them otherwise.

So when Castille and Portugal declared war again, Siena and Sicily basically said "no chance!" and scarpered; owning only Barcelona, Alicante, Aragon, Pirineo and the Baleares meant we'd probably be reduced to a OPM if that, so that's why I quit.

I was probably the worst player to have deal with that kinda situation, but I'm fine with joining the back of the queue and seeing what I get in the 16th/17th Century. :>

[pevergreen]

just a question actually.
Would anyone be interested in maybe another EU Succession game?
This time, instead of a smaller country like Aragon, we maybe try a larger kingdom like France? might make things more flexible and easier for all players involved
I'll have to admit the suspense of waiting for my turn to come is killing me...

this way if we have two games, everyones turn for either one will come alittle quicker.
I'm just asking if anyone is interested.. if not then forget I said anything.

There certainly seems to be enough interest to run a semi hard and a semi easy one.

I was thinking of running something I believe Ibn had the idea for a while ago. One person plays the actual game, others form advisors, give policy etc.

[TinCow]

I can go as a new nation, which nation would you like to play as? Perhaps Teutonic Order? Ireland OPM? None-Western?

Your call.

Looking back through the preferences stated earlier, multiple people expressed interest in Hungary, Teutonic Order, and Sweden. I'll also toss in Holland and Brabant as personal favorites. So, I'll leave it up to you as the first player. Select from one of those five, or Aragon again. Keep in mind that if you start as Sweden you're going to have to tough out a Personal Union at the start.

[Beskar]

Time for me to get out the Prussian Artillery then.

[TinCow]

Sounds good.

Also, I really don't think there's a need to split the game between difficulty levels. miotas' situation was very difficult. I can guarantee you that I would have ended up in the exact same situation in my second war with Castile if I hadn't had France on my side, and in his game France was on his side but deserted him. We currently have a lot of enthusiasm going for this and the turns are going at blazing fast speed. When was the last time anyone has seen four separate reigns finished in 24 hours in a succession game? If we split up into multiple games, we might kill some of that momentum.

Let's keep it united as a single game for at least a few more days. If at that point some people feel like they have enough time to do two games at once, then start up a second one, but only after we've ensured that the first game keeps moving.

[pevergreen]

Time for me to get out the Prussian Artillery then.

From the raaage! thread at the EU3 forums

[TinCow]

There certainly seems to be enough interest to run a semi hard and a semi easy one.

I was thinking of running something I believe Ibn had the idea for a while ago. One person plays the actual game, others form advisors, give policy etc.

Further thoughts on a second game. If you are truly interested in doing something unusual and perhaps more difficult, we could specifically decide to assign an unusual and difficult task to a country. For instance, play an Irish OPM with the goal of conquering China. Or perhaps a reverse history, where an Indian nation conquers Britain. Or perhaps have the Mamluks colonize all of North America.

That said, I want to emphasize again that I think we should only add a second game after the first has had a few more days of running time, to ensure the stability of the thing.

[Beskar]

Ok, I am finished. This is going to be a long write-up. 34 years was a long reign. Good news for my successor, you are making buckets of money and in a strong position. I doubt even Miotas can lead the current condition into destruction. :p

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[Ibn-Khaldun]

There certainly seems to be enough interest to run a semi hard and a semi easy one.

I was thinking of running something I believe Ibn had the idea for a while ago. One person plays the actual game, others form advisors, give policy etc.

I did. However, I don't have DW and can't join/start any games.

[Beskar]

Konrad von Jungingen was asleep. In his dreams, he dreamt of a glorious army winning a battle, they were dressed in Grey, under the banner of a black eagle with a crown. He pondered "Who's army is this? Is this mine?". There was a man, on a horse. Tall gentleman with a moustache, who looked like a general, possibly even a king. The man rode forward infront of the troops, he gave a big battle speech, "There will be no surrender, for we shall press the advantage, and create a land for the German people that would rival that of the great Hochmeister, Konrad von Jungingen."

Konrad wakes up, startled by a noise. He walks outside into the damp autumn day, a yeoman runs up to the Hochmeister "My liege, Bohemian troops are marching this way from other the hill. What are your orders?". Konrad sniffs the air, licks his finger and raises it. "I believe tonight will become a great victory for our Order."

Prussian Might
An Teutonic Order EU3 DW Succession Game

Weeks earlier...

Konrad renewed by his strange dreams, begins a long process of consolidating his position. He begins a series of government decisions to strengthen his resolve.

He begins by Sending a Delegate to the Pope and centralizing his position in the order. A local upstart sees this as an opportunity to attack! However, he gravely misunderstood the situation and soon paid the price for his foolishness.

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After the display of military might, The Palpinate and Aquileia flocked to join under the Orders banner by proposing an alliance. The Order accepted to increase their strength.

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The Teutonic Order began to examine the powers of Europe. A general pointed towards Austria. "If we are to exceed in our plans, we must be stronger than a nation like... Austria!". The Hochmeister drummed up the commanders to begin a recruiting campaign. Once the commanders returned, the Order was now ready for war.

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A messenger runs into the Command tent. "Sir! You must have the Prussian people. Those demonic latvian bishops using them to fuel their inferno hellfires!". The Hochmeister shudders. "Prepare the men, for we are going to war!".

As the Hochmeister army prepares to embark on its journey to Riga, a foreign messenger arrives. "You shall not prevent the progress of the almighty Holy Roman Emperor! You futile little nation shall bow to down to his might, as he crushes your forces and feeds you personally to his hounds!"

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There are several large battles, which the Teutonic Order successfully defends against the might of the Holy Roman Emperor. After a crushing defeat of the forces led by the emperor himself personally, another foreign messenger arrives. "The Great Nation of Hungary views you as a powerful ally. Perhaps by working together, we can push back the advances of the Emperor." The Hochmeister considered this for a moment, then agreed. "With our new found allies, Hungary. The Teutonic Alliance shall demonstrate that the Emperor should mind his own business!".
[Riga was annexed, Pomeria vassalised and Bohemia received a bloody nose.]

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After a couple of years of peace, a missionary returns to the court. "Sir, I am proud to announce that Samogitia are now devout believers of the true faith. The Hochmeister smiles as he looks on the map. He has won some powerful friends, and a good reputation.

[More to come in part 2 after some real life chores.]

[Ibn-Khaldun]

If you loose Estonia I'll start haunting you!

[TinCow]

Good start, Beskar, looking forward to the rest!

A general note to all players: when you are finished with your turn, please PM the next person in line to inform them that they are up.

[Beskar]

After dealing a devasating blow to the Holy Roman Emperor, the Hochmeister redraws territories from his 'imperial' realm. This wasn't seen very favorably by many of the powers in the HRE, but in the end, who cares about them?

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Message arrives from the Pope.

"Dearest Hochmeister, I am pleased you dealt with the firebreathing Latvians, we have decided that you are worthy of the title: Defender of the Faith". Konrad smirks, it is a prestigious, but there will usually a string attached to it. Konrad replies "I will accept this honour". The legate replies "Good, and as your first duty, we have declared a crusade against the Mamluks", Konrad nods, "We want you to reestablish the Kingdom of Jerusalem." Konrad was surprised at this request, "You know that that is on the otherside of the world, right?". "Indeed! The Pope expects nothing less!" the legate states. The Hochmeister rubs his chin, "Alright, prepare the ships! We are going to war!"

Konrad leading an almighty force of 10k troops, traveled the breast of Europe to arrive at the Middle Eastern lands. "Alright we need a strategy.. Mamluks would not be expecting an attack from us. We shall have navy cut off their forces at Diamante. We shall move the other forces down from the North and quickly take the Holy Land, then reunite with the advance guard to assault Egypt." The plan was a success! The Mamluk heatherns main forces were trapped, allowing the Hochmeister to control the Holy Land. What was surprising that the neighbours of the Mamluks sensed their weakness and decided to decend upon them with their unholy wrath. The Timurids, Hedjaz, Ethopia, Tripoli and Morocco threw their forces into the fray, obliterating the amassing Mamluk forces. After a bloody war, the Popes will was done. The Kingdom of Jerusalem has been reestablished and the Pope relieved the Hochmeister of his duty, stating that his soul has been saved.

It also appeared that not only the Pope was grateful.

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After some time, the Pommerian people decided that the Teutonic Order should simply govern on behalf of their incompentant leaders. Their wisdom now means that all of their base are belong to us.

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The Hansa have been a pain in the military funding of the Teutonic Order for some time, the Order decided to make 'Danzig' the new capital, and establish a center of trade there as well. This greatly increased the monetary income of the Order, and it was about to increase more. The Hansa played with fire and got burnt, now they are excommunicated. This is an opportunity the Order couldn't back away from, Destroy the Lubeck/Hansa trade league!

After a shortlived battle, since the Hansa has been reduced to an OPM by the other powers in the area, the Order swept in and conquered them, annexing them for the greater good. With this, the trade league splittered into small pieces, allowing the Order to destroy Lubeck CoT once and for all, making Danzig a major trade hub in the Baltics and for the German people.

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Bohemia decided it is time for a rematch, bringing in the elector, Brandenburg as an ally. A long and glorious war was fought, but the superior numbers and firepower of the Teutonic Order lead to Bohemia retreating with its tail between its legs, and Brandenburg becomming a vassal of the Order. Brandenburg was later integrated into the Teutonic Order and been made the Nation Focus for any future leaders.
[Unfortunately, didn't get a screenshot of this ><]

The Death of the Hochmeister left the Order in a strong position as a Major European power. It is time for Heinrich to take the reins and lead the Order to further Greatness.

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[miotas]

Yeah I have to agree,
makes the game more diverse and fun, and rebuilding or struggling after a horrible defeat is all the more enjoyable.

However, just for future refrence that might help avoid multiple wars in DW, Need to keep that infamy on the lower side, and have an ally or 2 to deter from attacks,
:-p,
but then again maybe thats just me.. Either way I can't wait to take the reigns

I only had 17 infamy, and I had France, the pope, sicily, pisa, ferrara, and urbino as allies.

Also, I really don't think there's a need to split the game between difficulty levels. miotas' situation was very difficult. I can guarantee you that I would have ended up in the exact same situation in my second war with Castile if I hadn't had France on my side, and in his game France was on his side but deserted him.

Castille wasn't actually the problem, despite France abandoning the alliance, the Papal States actually turning and attacking, and Portugal joining against me, I was comfortably winning the second castillian war. If england hadn't picked that moment to attack, I could have demanded far more than Castille simply realeasing Navarra.

[TriforceV]

I only had 17 infamy, and I had France, the pope, sicily, pisa, ferrara, and urbino as allies.

Castille wasn't actually the problem, despite France abandoning the alliance, the Papal States actually turning and attacking, and Portugal joining against me, I was comfortably winning the second castillian war. If england hadn't picked that moment to attack, I could have demanded far more than Castille simply realeasing Navarra.

I though i saw 19 on the SS, either way 19 or 17 its still much to much.
Your biggest mistake was biting off more than you can chew (half of Italy), when Castile is being so hostile.
Had you done more prestigous peace agreements instead of infarious ones, france may not have broken the alliance, and England not join the war!.

[Northnovas]

Welcome back! The first lesson of finances is to keep minting under control and to avoid lots of inflation. National Bank is a good first Idea for this reason (and what I took in the game above). Also, you can reduce maintenance when at peace to save even more money.

Well I never really left I just kept signing in surfing to see what was going on and playing a little mumu in the Arcade.
Well I failed that first lesson with Portugal I think I was at 52% inflation spend spend spend! Supporting that large army because you just never know when the Rebels will pop up!

I knew it was you NN! (I spotted him in a thread at the paradox forums)

I knew it was you on the Paradox forum offering sage advice and there can only be one pevergreen in any forum! I was checking out the fourm for answers for this game and HoI3 there were some sweet deals over the holidays. The Steam concept slowly grows on you. A few issues but nothing to stop playing.

Your second game's success so far with the Order is amazing and to have a successor called Heinrich. There's something about that name that can create some magic to the game play. Following along......

[Secura]

So what's the order for people playing now? :3

This?

List of Players:
Beskar
Alexander the Pretty Good
TriforceV
Cecil XIX
TinCow
pevergreen
miotas
Secura

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Saved game for TriforceV: http://www.filefront.com/17846286/Prussian Might 2.eu3

Too tired to do a full write-up now, but I'll give a brief summary from an "out of character" perspective.

I'm a pretty conservative player and I don't like taking land without cores and/or a mission so my reign is going to be a lot less interesting than Beskar's. Semi-chronological outline:

> I went to war with Bohemia (trade dispute, used it to beat up on them a bit and liberate Brunswick)
> Joined but contributed little to Hungarian expansion in the Balkans
> Joined but contributed nothing to wars defending Crete from the Byzantines and a war defending Jerusalem from the Mamlukes (the former went much better than the latter)
> Got involved in Russian politics (helped break up Muscovy and kept them boxed in, they will have a hard time forming Russia)
> Big war
Bohemia (HRE), Austria, Burgungy, tagalongs vs Myself, Hungary, tagalongs
Denmark attacked me, Hungary refused to help, I white peaced with Bohemia et al
Defeated Denmark, Norway, tagalongs, Hungary got slowly taken apart and is partially occupied by Poland

Currently have 2 badboy points and dropping (built an embassy in a recently annexed OPM, so Triforce can get a little infamy happy), 1.5k in the bank, ~75 prestige (number 1?), defender of the faith, and the day Heinrich died I hit gov tech 9, so there's a fun decision right out of the box for Triforce.

Good luck, beware Bohemia and Austria working together!

[TriforceV]

Alright, I'm playing the turn, alot has happened since I took the reigns, plenty of wars, lots of new lands..
I'm currently at 1495 and my heir refuses to die :-)
I'll give a detailed account when I'm done of all that's happened, unfortunately I'm exhausted and I have to go to class tomorrow, I'll finish up the turn tomorrow night. I hope that's alright with everyone?

[pevergreen]

Of course!

We're going quite fast, no pressure.

[Vladimir]

The first two pages of this thread encouraged me to start a game with Aragon last night. The first playthrough went well until the regency hit me and I was forced into a PU with Portugal. Then Castile declared war. As soon as their army was beaten Portugal sold me out. Restart.

Now things are much better but being between Castile and France is definitely a rock and a hard place scenario. It looks like you have a good nation now.

[TinCow]

The first two pages of this thread encouraged me to start a game with Aragon last night. The first playthrough went well until the regency hit me and I was forced into a PU with Portugal. Then Castile declared war. As soon as their army was beaten Portugal sold me out. Restart.

Now things are much better but being between Castile and France is definitely a rock and a hard place scenario. It looks like you have a good nation now.

Aragon is all about playing the major powers off against one another. I bet that the first game would have gone differently if Aragon hadn't gotten excommunicated. It doesn't matter how much the papal controller hates you, he can't excommunicate you if you keep your relations with the Papal State high. When you're excommunicated, everyone gets a free causus belli against you and allies are far more likely to abandon you. Without the excommunication, I bet that the Castilians would still have attacked, but France may not have abandoned Aragon, and most of the other wars would not have occurred. Despite the comments made earlier about infamy, as far as I could tell our infamy was still in the orange range, which indicates that it is high, but not high enough to really cause people to declare war on you.

[Beskar]

Shame the KOJ barely lasted a turn. I was hoping they would do ok, with a big chunk of land, which over the time has cored. Perhaps a future ruler would vassal the KOJ then re-expand its borders. :p

[pevergreen]

Shame the KOJ barely lasted a turn. I was hoping they would do ok, with a big chunk of land, which over the time has cored. Perhaps a future ruler would vassal the KOJ then re-expand its borders. :p

I've never actually enacted that decision. Next game I play, I will.

[Zim]

The first two pages of this thread encouraged me to start a game with Aragon last night. The first playthrough went well until the regency hit me and I was forced into a PU with Portugal. Then Castile declared war. As soon as their army was beaten Portugal sold me out. Restart.

Now things are much better but being between Castile and France is definitely a rock and a hard place scenario. It looks like you have a good nation now.

Aragorn can be quite fun. I had a game going as them a while back Expanded a little bit against Castille and was slowly swallowing up Italy. The early years were rough, though. My experience is the same as TinCow's. Playing the big guys against eachother is the best way to survive the early game (and hoping you don't get a disadvantageous Personal Union. ).

[Vladimir]

Aragorn can be quite fun. I had a game going as them a while back Expanded a little bit against Castille and was slowly swallowing up Italy. The early years were rough, though. My experience is the same as TinCow's. Playing the big guys against eachother is the best way to survive the early game (and hoping you don't get a disadvantageous Personal Union. ).

Yes, well tha Aragonese loins failed me big time in the first try. That's an advantage of having a republic.

[TriforceV]

The King is Dead on March 1502.
Here is the Turn: Prussian Might 3


His Reign was long and prosperous, got into plenty of wars mostly for the better...
Here is my Empire:


I started off the game in a solid position thanks to Alexander,
I managed to keep inflation to 0 throughout my reign and incorporate a new Trade center (Novogrod) into our little Empire.

First I choose as an Idea = Grand Army.

My primary concern was to join the Lubeck with the rest of my Empire, and as a result I took down Mackenburg, this was an aggressive war with No cause beli, I also took advantage of the war to incorporate Poskov.

In the process of fighting countless wars, I lost some allies, and made others (mostly vassals) Luneburg (which I diplo-annexed)

I fought Sweden, and won gaining only prestige,
was attacked by Denmark and Poland who joined the alliance and took a nice big chunk of Poland. (3 provinces). My infamy was pretty high at this point 21.9.
So I decided to take it easy and rest for a bit..
When it finally got low enough, I had gained a Core province of Polotosk on the Lithuania border.
Lithuania at this point was a huge powerhouse and had gained the Trade center of Novogrod, I joined the war and relived them of Both Novogrod and Polotosk.

got into a little war with Denmark, and Finland (making Finland my vassal).

We became Papal Rulers (think we still are), and I declared war on Austria which were Excommunicated (and Emperor), this was the toughest war I was in.. fortunitly I declared war when they were busy fighting Swiss and France, but they are a real pain in the butt, Austria keeps demanding I give them provinces and has plenty scattered throughout Germany.
Their armies are huge, more advanced, and possess the greatest thread in my opinion.
While I had to end the war short because they were starting to kick my ass (still got white peace thought), I managed to take out Hamburg (annexed them), but was unable to take Stead (Austrian province in our Western Front).

The Protestant Reformation occurred in Denmark, and is branching out in Aragon

And when My King died I was at war with Pvsk (or something like that) in the Eastern front, It's a cake walk....

Now for the Next King (Ludwig):
The Economy is good, you have 3000k+ and I can't seem to spend it quick enough!
Inflation is at 0, Treasure slider is as far left as it can go, and even thought it says I'm losing money, the traders (now capitalizing in both Danzig and Novogrod are making enough to keep the money a flowing!.

The Army is double what it was before I took over: 61k as opposed to 30K

Stability and Infamy have had a roller coaster experience, but as it stands they are both on good footing:
Infamy: 7.7
Stability: +2

I think all in all, I did a decent job, and leave it stronger than I received it,
I certainly wasn't conservative and threes alto of provinces that arn't Core.

Anyways Give em hell here are some extra Pictures:

[pevergreen]

You did well!

Very well indeed.

We should be able to form prussia almost instantly.

[TinCow]

Long Prussia is Long!