Favorite Historical Figures

[Strike For The South]

I have 4:

Patton
Roosevelt (Teddy)
Jackson (Andrew)
Sam Houston

Now the first 3 are eaisly grouped, Bull-headed(or should I say bull moose LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL) arrogant men who made allot of enemies. I can respect that

Houston was unionist Texan whom refused to secede therefore <3

[Fisherking]

George Rogers Clark

Pushmataha

Fulk FitzWarin

Eleanor of Aquitaine

Guts and brains

[A Nerd]

Richard the Lionhearted.

[Fragony]

The Marquis de Sade, a man often misunderstood. He was not immoral nor was he a sadist, the massacres left him aghast. The sword is mightier than the pencil, but also more stupid

[Karel de Stoute]

The Marquis de Sade, a man often misunderstood. He was not immoral nor was he a sadist, the massacres left him aghast. The sword is mightier than the pencil, but also more stupid

Oh yes he was a sadist. He served multiple prisonsentences for sexual and sadistic crimes like beating up a prostitute whilst masturbating. And he had a disturbingly sick fantasy: '120 jours de sodome'

My favourite historic figure would be Socrates, the martyr of filosophie

[Vuk]

Niccolò Machiavelli
Phillip II of Macedon
Alexander the Great
Ng Mui
Flavius Belisarius
Douglas MacArthur
Vuk Brankovic

[Fragony]

Oh yes he was a sadist. He served multiple prisonsentences for sexual and sadistic crimes like beating up a prostitute whilst masturbating. And he had a disturbingly sick fantasy: '120 jours de sodome'

De Sade having a sick fantasy can't be denied, nor can his genius. He has always been a parody of himself and society in general, like The Comedian from Watchmen he wasn't really a scumbag, he became one by choice, as a mirror. Read the Bedroom Philosophers, often described as pure porn. It isn't, it's brilliant

[Lysimachus]

I have 4:

Patton
Roosevelt (Teddy)
Jackson (Andrew)
Sam Houston

Now the first 3 are eaisly grouped, Bull-headed(or should I say bull moose LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL) arrogant men who made allot of enemies. I can respect that

Houston was unionist Texan whom refused to secede therefore <3

I've never liked Patton. Was given an army on the side which was winning the war, only blitzed across France because the German Army Group B had been annihilated and then the moment he bumped in to resistance at Metz he stalled. Then rather than allowing the Allies to properly allocate their resources, he demanded resources for his troops who were at the time in a less important sector. I think he's an extremely overrated general who, if say in Gotthard Heinrici's situation against the Russians 1944-1945 as they advanced in to Germany wouldn't have stood a chance and would have simply fell apart rather than composing the flexible defence which historically occurred around the Oder.

[Subotan]

Harry S. Truman. (As he is legendary, and I'm a bit surprised he's not on your list tbh SFTS.)
David Lloyd George (He may be Welsh, but he was a wizard by god)
Thomas Cochrane (Study him. Be in awe.)
De Gaulle (Not because I agree with him, but because he was uncompromising to the point of badassery
Ito Hirobumi (Controversial, especially to Koreans [in fact exclusively to Koreans], but I needed to pick a Genro, and controversial is the way I like it)
Park Chung Hee (Again controversial to Koreans, but I don't care)
Bismarck
Abigail Adams (Even though McCullough's treatment of her was ew so mushy)

[Strike For The South]

Harry S. Truman. (As he is legendary, and I'm a bit surprised he's not on your list tbh SFTS.[FONT=Verdana])]

I never understood the [oral praise] given to Truman

I've never liked Patton. Was given an army on the side which was winning the war, only blitzed across France because the German Army Group B had been annihilated and then the moment he bumped in to resistance at Metz he stalled. Then rather than allowing the Allies to properly allocate their resources, he demanded resources for his troops who were at the time in a less important sector. I think he's an extremely overrated general who, if say in Gotthard Heinrici's situation against the Russians 1944-1945 as they advanced in to Germany wouldn't have stood a chance and would have simply fell apart rather than composing the flexible defence which historically occurred around the Oder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh9S1Hk975U

I'D LOVE TO SEE THE FAIRY MASQUERADING AS A GENERAL KNOWN AS MONTY GIVE THAT SPEECH

[Lysimachus]

I never understood the [oral praise] given to Truman



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh9S1Hk975U

I'D LOVE TO SEE THE FAIRY MASQUERADING AS A GENERAL KNOWN AS MONTY GIVE THAT SPEECH

Kind of reminds me of Godwin's Law; in a discussion about either Montgomery or Patton, it's inevitable some point down the line that the other gets mentioned. I'd hardly use a speech as a sign of a general's credibility though, whether in a light-hearted or serious context, rather we should look at a general's military achievements, tactics, terrain and what they had to work with to determine how effective they were at leading their forces (among other factors).

[Noncommunist]

Paul Emil von Lettow Vorbeck was a pretty good general in WW1 in East Africa.

[Subotan]

I never understood the [oral praise] given to Truman

Even if you disagree with his personal politics, he is the prime example of why democracy works. Born into a simple farming family, he persevered through WWI, a bankruptcy, living a hard life on his farm, to become a Senator, and then eventually the V-P. He then obviously went on to win a Presidential election in his own right. Also, on the big issues of his day, such as whether to nuke Japan, the commitment of troops to Korea, the Marshal Plan, the dismissal of MacArthur (Who was pretty overrated IMHO), the first steps towards action on civil rights...what is there to dislike?

[KrooK]

Jan Tarnowski - hetman (polish highest military rank) probably best commander of the first part of XVIth century.

Jan Karol Chodkiewicz
Stanisław Żółkiewski - two great commanders of XVIth - XVIIth century. Both hetmans. Great patriots for whole their lives served their country.

Genghis Khan - here I don't think destription is necessary.

[Beirut]

Socrates
Alcibiades
Henry V
BKS
Churchill
T.E. Lawrence
Ghengis Khan