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    Default The Blue and the Grey - an American Civil War IH

    First off, allow me to introduce myself - My name is Vladimir Fred-nin, and I am a devout IH player on the TWC forum. I, in particular, like really bloody, war-based IHs, and I have hosted 2 moderately successful ACW games in the past on TWC. I thought I'd spread my infection influence to the .org forum, so here I present you with my civil war IH!


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    The year is 1861. Following the battle of First Manassas/Bull Run, the Northern and Southern half of the United States are at war over issues such as State vs. National legislature, and Slavery. 11 Southern States are fighting what they believe to be the 2nd American Revolution: North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas, Florida, Arkansas, Louisiana, Georgia, Mississippi, Tennessee, Alabama, and Virginia. They have declared their independence from 23 Union states, and after the first major battle, have proved their mettle in combat. There are 800,000 volunteers in the South against over 2 Million in the North, but they have yet to be organized. That is where the players come in.

    Each Player will be a General leading an army from one of the two nations. The limit for army size for the South is 90,000 men and the North's limit is 120,000 men. However this certainly does not mean that players HAVE to choose big armies; For example, Confederate General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson fought a series of successful battles against the Union and he had only a Division(less than 10,000 men) at his command(see Shenandoah Valley Campaign).

    There will be a 'Turn' system; each player will say where he wants his/her army to go in that turn and what the army is to do. I will then use maps of major roads in the area and from that I can decide if they happen to clash with enemy forces.

    The battle system is the following; say the Confederates have 10,000 men and the Union has 14,000. Each of the types of soldiers have a different fighting value from 10 to 1(10 being the worst, 1 being the best; I'll explain later). In this case the union has a value of, say, 8 and the confederates have a value of 7. To determine casualties, the number of one nation's troops is divided by the power value of the opposite side. Here is an example:

    Confederates: 10,000 men/8 = 1,250 Casualties
    Union: 14,000 men/7 = 2,000 Casualties

    Then to determine killed and wounded, the number of casualties is divided by 3. This number is the killed soldiers. Then to find wounded, we subtract the number of killed from the remaining casualties. These remaining casualties are the wounded.

    Confederates: 1,250/3 = 417 Killed, 833 Wounded
    Union: 2,000/3 = 667 Killed, 1,333 Wounded


    Recruitment:

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    There is also a recruitment chart for numbers of men that can be recruited for each army per turn. Here it is for both nations.

    Confederates:
    Max of 5 Brigades per turn
    1 Brigade = 3,000 Infantry
    OR 2,000 Cavalry*
    OR 1,500 Artillerymen + 50 Guns**

    * Max of 10 Cavalry units per army
    ** Max of 2 Artillery units per army

    2 Brigades = 1 Division
    2 Divisions = 1 Corps
    ? Corps = 1 Army


    Union:
    Max of 5 Brigades per turn
    1 Brigade = 4,000 Infantry
    OR 2,500 Cavalry*
    OR 1,800 Artillerymen + 60 Guns**

    * Max of 10 Cavalry units per army
    ** Max of 2 Artillery units per army

    2 Brigades = 1 Division
    2 Divisions = 1 Corps
    ? Corps = 1 Army



    Anyone is free to join and make their own armies, along with naming them whatever they wish.
    PLAYERS WILL HAVE TO SPECIFY WHAT NUMBER AND TYPE OF BRIGADES ARE INCLUDED IN THEIR ARMIES.

    EXAMPLE:

    Army of the Potomac
    10 Infantry Brigades
    5 Cavalry Brigades
    2 Artillery Brigades


    Confederate Armies:
    Western Department - Leader: Fisherking - 71,044 Men, 100 Guns
    Army of Virginia - Leader: Kagemusha - 78,349 Men, 100 Guns
    Army of Tennessee - Leader: Centurion1 - 87,633 Men, 95 Guns
    Army of Western Virginia - CPU Army(controlled by me) - 68,536 Men, 100 Guns
    Men left in recruiting pool: 386,000

    Union Armies:
    Army of Ohio - Leader: Franconicus - 82,312 Men, 113 Guns
    Army of New York - Leader: Warman - 108,845 Men, 120 Guns
    Men left in recruiting pool: 1,516,800


    Soldiers lost so far:
    CSA: 71,661
    USA: 308,411
    (This includes both Deaths and Captured men)
    Last edited by Vladimir Fred-nin; 06-08-2011 at 21:55.
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    Default Re: The Blue and the Grey - an American Civil War IH

    Although I do not fully understand:

    Count me in!

    Can I recruit the Army of Rhodes Island?

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    Default Re: The Blue and the Grey - an American Civil War IH

    If you mean Rhode Island, then sure.

    Just post how many brigades of what kind you have in your army(like the example in the recruitment section).
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    Default Re: The Blue and the Grey - an American Civil War IH

    Can I raise the Army of Pennsvayina? (Pardon my spelling lol)

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    Default Re: The Blue and the Grey - an American Civil War IH

    Sure, just post how many brigades and what type they are pl0x.
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    Default Re: The Blue and the Grey - an American Civil War IH

    Okay, you need opposing forces to I’ll take the Confederate Western Department, if you don’t mind?


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    Default Re: The Blue and the Grey - an American Civil War IH

    I will raise Confederate army of Virginia. If i understand correctly i can recruit 5 Brigades for it this first turn? If so i will raise 1st and 2nd independent artillery Brigade´s for the army. 1st Infantry division, consisting of 1st and 2nd Virginia infantry Brigades and an independent 1st Cavalry Brigade as core units of my Army of Virginia.
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    Default Re: The Blue and the Grey - an American Civil War IH

    So the Blue Ones can recruit 5 brigades this year, right. Then I recruit two infantry brigades and leave the rest to my allies.

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    Default Re: The Blue and the Grey - an American Civil War IH

    Perhaps I am mistaken but I don’t think we need tell everyone what we are recruiting or where we are moving.

    If I read correctly each player can recruit 5 units. Not as a team.

    but I guess he will say...
    Last edited by Fisherking; 01-26-2011 at 20:21.


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    Default Re: The Blue and the Grey - an American Civil War IH

    No, No, you guys misunderstood me.

    In your starting armies you can take as many troops as you want. During the game, when/if players need more troops, they are allowed to recruit troops into their army. They are allowed to recruit a max of 5 brigades per army, per turn.
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    Here we go, Fisherking made his army correctly.

    2 Artillery Brigades - 3,000 Men
    6 Mounted Infantry Brigades(count as Infantry) - 18,000 Men
    9 Cavalry Brigades - 18,000 Men
    17 Infantry Brigades - 51,000 Men

    90,000 Men total
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    Alrighty then.Army of Virginia:

    2 artillery Brigades- 3000 men and 100 guns
    8 Cavalry Brigades- 16 000 men
    23 infantry Brigades- 69 000 men

    88 000 men in total.
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    Default Re: The Blue and the Grey - an American Civil War IH

    Army of Pennsylvania:

    2 artillery Brigades- 3000 men and 100 guns
    10 Cavalry Brigades- 25,000 men
    28 infantry Brigades- 112,000 men


    140,000 men and 100 cannon.

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    Warman, you did 2 things wrong:

    1. as a northern army your army's troop limit is 120,000 men.
    2. You used the stats for CONFEDERATE brigades, not union ones.
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    Alright, so the ARMY of RHODE ISLAND consists of
    2 Artillery, 8 Cavalry and 15 Infantry Brigades.
    In total 83,600 men and 120 guns. Enough to end the rebellion!

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    That should do nicely. ;)
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    Default Re: The Blue and the Grey - an American Civil War IH

    Do we move troops publicly or PM you?

    Fog of war?


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    Default Re: The Blue and the Grey - an American Civil War IH

    is there still room?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franconicus View Post
    Alright, so the ARMY of RHODE ISLAND consists of
    2 Artillery, 8 Cavalry and 15 Infantry Brigades.
    In total 83,600 men and 120 guns. Enough to end the rebellion!
    Please come and try Union scum. Bayonet for the violators of our homes and cooking fires i say!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir Fred-nin View Post
    Warman, you did 2 things wrong:

    1. as a northern army your army's troop limit is 120,000 men.
    2. You used the stats for CONFEDERATE brigades, not union ones.




    I did #2 wrong?

    Union:
    Max of 5 Brigades per turn
    1 Brigade = 4,000 Infantry
    OR 2,500 Cavalry*
    OR 1,800 Artillerymen + 60 Guns**

    * Max of 10 Cavalry units per army
    ** Max of 2 Artillery units per army

    2 Brigades = 1 Division
    2 Divisions = 1 Corps
    ? Corps = 1 Army




    Army of Pennsylvania:

    2 Artillery Brigades 3600 120 guns
    4 Cavalry Brigades 10000
    26 Infantry Brigades 104000


    117,600 men and 100 cannon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagemusha View Post
    Please come and try Union scum. Bayonet for the violators of our homes and cooking fires i say!
    I do not talk with rebels! I let my guns talk!!

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    yall best worry the army of Tennessee is here now.

    confederacy.
    2 artillery units. 3000 men and 100 guns
    6 cavalry units 12000 men
    4 mounted infantry units 12000 men.
    20 infantry units 60000 men

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
    Do we move troops publicly or PM you?

    Fog of war?
    1. PM me, but not yet. The game has not begun.
    2. What?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centurion1 View Post
    is there still room?
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by ELITECubKingWarman88 View Post
    I did #2 wrong?




    Army of Pennsylvania:

    2 Artillery Brigades 3600 120 guns
    4 Cavalry Brigades 10000
    26 Infantry Brigades 104000


    117,600 men and 100 cannon.
    You used the stats for confederate artillery, not union artillery. You're fine now though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centurion1 View Post
    yall best worry the army of Tennessee is here now.

    confederacy.
    2 artillery units. 3000 men and 100 guns
    6 cavalry units 12000 men
    4 mounted infantry units 12000 men.
    20 infantry units 60000 men
    Welcome to the game, I will add your force shortly :)
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    Hurrah!

    Welcome Tennessee



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    Go PA!!

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    The game will probably start some time next week. I'm going to be busy this weekend, I'm going to a concert.
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    I will use the time to drill my soldiers!

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    That sounded sooooo wrong :P
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    TURN 1 HAS BEGUN, SEND ORDERS IN!

    For this turn, all you need do is tell me where you want your forces to go.
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    will there be a mape for this game? even a rough one?

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