Personality test

[Togakure]

I don't understand how you are supposed to learn anything from a test where you just say things about yourself that you already know...or think you know.

I don't see how anyone can enter "I like having a large circle of acquaintances" and "You spend your leisure time actively socializing
with a group of people, attending parties, shopping, etc." and "You rapidly get involved in social life
at a new workplace" and feel at all enlightened when told that they are on the extroverted end of the scale.

And for the ones you don't know already, they are just to vague:

"You trust reason rather than feelings"

YES/NO !?!?!? How on earth are you supposed to give a legitimate yes or no answer to that? Feelings ARE reasons, and reason would tell you so.

Reason as in active, logical Thinking, vs. Feelings as more intuitive, "gut" thinking.

The value of the results of things like this is two-fold: it can help to understand ourselves better if we are open to it, and it can help to understand others better if we are aware of their personality type. But knowing what ourselves are and what other are in this context is only the beginning. It's what you do with it, and how, that can add value.

On a fairly large project some time ago, my whole team took a much more detailed test that used the same classification system (it was a Kiersey test iirc). My role was technical project leader, and I had responsibility for both IT staff and business staff for whom the system was being developed. I noted the results of all the team members as they were discussed in class (it was an extended training class in which the test and subsequent discussion were only a part). Later, when I had to approach a team member about something and needed something important from them (and anticipated difficulty), I reviewed their personality type as described by the results of the test. It was helpful in adjusting my approach in how I presented the need, how I responded to their concerns, and how to compromise with them on how to get what needed to be done, done. If there was failure, I don't think it was because the test and method is bogus, it was because I failed to make effective use of the results.

Sasaki Kojiro-san, I would say: think less when considering the questions, answer with your gut. but my guess is, you would be classified "T," and that very suggestion is not natural to you, as "T"'s tend to reason out, think about, logically consider, rather than go with how they "feel" about it. This is not a problem per se, it just makes understanding the point and value of exercises like these more difficult for some than others.

But I am probably the wrong messenger in this. With respect.

[God Emperor]

No secura INTP is the architect, however with 22 it would be a minor borderline to the INTJ (mastermind) :)

@ Sasaki , imo there is a clear difference between rational and irrational thinking (You trust reason rather than feelings") - It is as Togakure says, that trusting in feelings would mean you are inclined to go with your gut feeling (or simply what your current mood tells you) , where the rational mind would need a logical set of reasons, to believe that situation-x is right/wrong

[Ronin]

Your Type is
ISTJ
Introverted Sensing Thinking Judging
Strength of the preferences %
78 1 69 28

You are:

* very expressed introvert
* slightly expressed sensing personality
* distinctively expressed thinking personality
* moderately expressed judging personality

Careers suited:
Computer Programming
Technology Education
Engineering
Mechanics/Automotive Repair

Similar famous people:
Lance Armstrong, Warren Buffet, Donald Rumsfeld, Greta Garbo

[Vladimir]

Oh dear. This is who I am:

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Your Type is
INTJ
Introverted 56

Intuitive 75

Thinking 38

Judging 67

[Sasaki Kojiro]

@ Sasaki , imo there is a clear difference between rational and irrational thinking (You trust reason rather than feelings") - It is as Togakure says, that trusting in feelings would mean you are inclined to go with your gut feeling (or simply what your current mood tells you) , where the rational mind would need a logical set of reasons, to believe that situation-x is right/wrong

There is a clear difference between rational and irrational thinking, but not between reason and feeling. When you come up with reasons you evaluate them based on how you feel about them. People who have the emotional part of their brain disconnected from their reasoning process are incredibly irrational. For example, they are asked which day next week would be best for their next appointment and they spend 30 minutes listing all the possible reasons that come into their mind.

The question is obviously garbage. It's like asking "When talking to someone, do you trust their facial expression/body language, or the literal meaning of what they say". Obviously you use both all the time and trying to divide them is silly. It might as well just ask "would you rather see yourself as a logical person or someone in touch with your emotions".

Same thing here:

"Your actions are frequently influenced by emotions"

The answer is YES. DUH.

Reason as in active, logical Thinking, vs. Feelings as more intuitive, "gut" thinking.

The value of the results of things like this is two-fold: it can help to understand ourselves better if we are open to it, and it can help to understand others better if we are aware of their personality type. But knowing what ourselves are and what other are in this context is only the beginning. It's what you do with it, and how, that can add value.

On a fairly large project some time ago, my whole team took a much more detailed test that used the same classification system (it was a Kiersey test iirc). My role was technical project leader, and I had responsibility for both IT staff and business staff for whom the system was being developed. I noted the results of all the team members as they were discussed in class (it was an extended training class in which the test and subsequent discussion were only a part). Later, when I had to approach a team member about something and needed something important from them (and anticipated difficulty), I reviewed their personality type as described by the results of the test. It was helpful in adjusting my approach in how I presented the need, how I responded to their concerns, and how to compromise with them on how to get what needed to be done, done. If there was failure, I don't think it was because the test and method is bogus, it was because I failed to make effective use of the results.

No doubt it can tell you something about someone else. But it doesn't reveal your personality.

Just look at the two questions I picked out. Or just the one, "Your actions are frequently influenced by emotions". People who want to think of themselves as logical will say no, and then the test result will tell them what they want to hear about themselves. And vice versa. EVERYONE'S actions are frequently influenced by emotions.

Sasaki Kojiro-san, I would say: think less when considering the questions, answer with your gut. but my guess is, you would be classified "T," and that very suggestion is not natural to you, as "T"'s tend to reason out, think about, logically consider, rather than go with how they "feel" about it. This is not a problem per se, it just makes understanding the point and value of exercises like these more difficult for some than others.

I had a very strung gut suspicion that the questionnaire was bogus. The reasoning came after.

The test linked certainly is. I took the actual one once and don't remember it being much better.

[Vladimir]

Same thing here:

"Your actions are frequently influenced by emotions"

The answer is YES. DUH.

I'm going pick this particular nit here. These questions are subjective. What if the answer is testing how you perceive your actions? Don't get too wound up over it and just take the damn test.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Sasaki strikes again!

I also thought some of the questions were strange. But you can tell what they are getting at, so just go with the flow. I don't think the questions were designed to be 100% logically flawless, it is more about prompting an answer out of us to see what that reveals about how we think.

The value of the test isn't in the questions themselves, its how we see them and react to them.

[CBR]

INTJ
100/75/25/11

very expressed introvert
distinctively expressed intuitive personality
moderately expressed thinking personality
slightly expressed judging personality

Yes some of the questions could go the other way depending on situation. That would shift the last one from J to P

[Togakure]

As usual, Sasaki, you have good points and provide something for me/others to think about.

There are many more questions on the "professional" tests and iirc, they aren't yes/no but multiple-choice. With a lot of redundancy, these tests seem a bit more accurate because, in the event that a question is not clear and yields a questionable answer, others cover the same base but are worded differently (probably utilizing the very subject matter that's being assessed to target people who think differently, and hence, perceive questions and answers in a different light).

The tests have been around for years, and so many organizations spend oodles of their training budget on them, it seems that a great deal of folks find value in them. I do take the results with a grain of salt though; we are very complex creatures and I find it unlikely that we can be so easily categorized with consistency. Still, the information can be useful.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well, this particular online version I'm fairly certain is worthless. I don't know about the actual version, but I'm somewhat suspicious because the business tie in can keep something like that chugging along in popularity even if it isn't accurate.

In general, having any test measuring a hard to define psychological variable DEFAULTS to questionable. There are quite a few personality tests that implicitly claim this one is illegitimate.

These questions are subjective. What if the answer is testing how you perceive your actions? Don't get too wound up over it and just take the damn test.

What if the answer is ignoring the test? That question isn't the slightest bit subjective. Everyone is frequently influenced by their emotions. It is testing how you want to perceive yourself, but it's pretending to be something entirely different, with a pretty little "You're a mastermind like einstein and kant" bow on top. I'm insulted because it's pandering to me. "Find your future career!" "Take the Jung marriage test!"

The value of the test isn't in the questions themselves, its how we see them and react to them.

Can you estimate how introverted or extroverted you are based on memory? I bet you can, and I bet it would be more accurate and insightful than any test score...same for all of it.

[The Stranger]

Well, this particular online version I'm fairly certain is worthless. I don't know about the actual version, but I'm somewhat suspicious because the business tie in can keep something like that chugging along in popularity even if it isn't accurate.

In general, having any test measuring a hard to define psychological variable DEFAULTS to questionable. There are quite a few personality tests that implicitly claim this one is illegitimate.



What if the answer is ignoring the test? That question isn't the slightest bit subjective. Everyone is frequently influenced by their emotions. It is testing how you want to perceive yourself, but it's pretending to be something entirely different, with a pretty little "You're a mastermind like einstein and kant" bow on top. I'm insulted because it's pandering to me. "Find your future career!" "Take the Jung marriage test!"



Can you estimate how introverted or extroverted you are based on memory? I bet you can, and I bet it would be more accurate and insightful than any test score...same for all of it.

lighten up dude :P its just for fun haha...

it is for me anyway.

[God Emperor]

though it is true, that a questions like 'are you often influenced by emotions' are bad questions, however they are , imo, a minority. But viewing the 'tests' that way, is imo, a wrong way. The main purpose of Jung's work is to catagorize people into 16 different groups, with 8 different points of focus. Emotional/rational etc. . Now tests (perhaps with the exeption of IQ tests) have some inaccuracy, so a result a person recieves is naturally not an answer, however it is a guide line, as you naturally will get somewhat close to your own person in a test like this one.

as the main purpose is to divide people into readable groups and add's a test to help the interested parties to find a group that fits, the right way to take this test is to read the type you get, AND read the borderline types, as you are likely to find characteristics in yourself, in those groups as well. it is also important to understand the difference between a P and J etc, if you are to understand what the result exactly says. Imo the 8 different points of focus are very well spotted, and they are useful in dividing people on important areas when it comes to personality. So bottom line is that focusing on a question (or perhaps two?) that goes without saying, is a failed viewpoint as it will not affect your result in any major way.

[A Nerd]

This is me.

Your Type is
ISFP
Introverted Sensing Feeling Perceiving
Strength of the preferences %
100 25 38 11

You are:
very expressed introvert

moderately expressed sensing personality

moderately expressed feeling personality

slightly expressed perceiving personality


Princess Diana, Auguste Rodin, Elvis Presley, Frederic Chopin

[The Stranger]

depending on the type of test and my mood i guess i am usually ENFP or ENFJ but INFP comes pretty close too. I have my days that i am really extravert and days or situations that i am not.

11% # slightly expressed extravert
75% # distinctively expressed intuitive personality
25% # moderately expressed feeling personality
33% # moderately expressed perceiving personality

I am a Champion Idealist or an Idealistic Champion XD

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Like the other Idealists, Champions are rather rare, say three or four percent of the population, but even more than the others they consider intense emotional experiences as being vital to a full life. Champions have a wide range and variety of emotions, and a great passion for novelty. They see life as an exciting drama, pregnant with possibilities for both good and evil, and they want to experience all the meaningful events and fascinating people in the world. The most outgoing of the Idealists, Champions often can't wait to tell others of their extraordinary experiences. Champions can be tireless in talking with others, like fountains that bubble and splash, spilling over their own words to get it all out. And usually this is not simple storytelling; Champions often speak (or write) in the hope of revealing some truth about human experience, or of motivating others with their powerful convictions. Their strong drive to speak out on issues and events, along with their boundless enthusiasm and natural talent with language, makes them the most vivacious and inspiring of all the types.

Fiercely individualistic, Champions strive toward a kind of personal authenticity, and this intention always to be themselves is usually quite attractive to others. At the same time, Champions have outstanding intuitive powers and can tell what is going on inside of others, reading hidden emotions and giving special significance to words or actions. In fact, Champions are constantly scanning the social environment, and no intriguing character or silent motive is likely to escape their attention. Far more than the other Idealists, Champions are keen and probing observers of the people around them, and are capable of intense concentration on another individual. Their attention is rarely passive or casual. On the contrary, Champions tend to be extra sensitive and alert, always ready for emergencies, always on the lookout for what's possible.

Champions are good with people and usually have a wide range of personal relationships. They are warm and full of energy with their friends. They are likable and at ease with colleagues, and handle their employees or students with great skill. They are good in public and on the telephone, and are so spontaneous and dramatic that others love to be in their company. Champions are positive, exuberant people, and often their confidence in the goodness of life and of human nature makes good things happen.