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    The Senate - Civil War



    This is the sequel to my game - "The Senate"
    Those who played my Thirty Years War game might find some parts familiar.
    For example, the game uses the same orders system. Each player will have 6 order slots that they can use.
    Each turn will last 2 days during which players from one faction should work out their plans/strategies for that turn. One turn equals to 3 months.

    The game have only two factions: Republicans and the Dictator with his followers.
    There are however some roles with special victory conditions.

    -The factions-

    Republicans

    Seeing the rise of a powerful general many senators tried to stay true to the old republican ways.
    Once in 2 turns they elect the Consul who will lead the Republican faction.

    Powers of the Consul:
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    1) Can take control of any army in a province he is in. That army becomes Consular Legion and receives Morale bonus.
    *2) Can once during his term appoint new general to one of the armies.
    *3) Can once during his term appoint new governor to one of the provinces.
    4) Can grant Citizenship once per turn.
    + few more..


    Dictator

    A powerful general, seeing a chance for power, used it and became the Dictator.
    At the start of the game one player will be randomly chosen to become the leader of this faction.

    Powers of the Dictator:
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    1) Can take control of any army in a province he is in. That army becomes Augustan Legion and receives Morale bonus.
    *2) Can once in 2 turns appoint new general to one of the armies.
    *3) Can once in 2 turns appoint new governor to one of the provinces.
    4) Can grant Citizenship once per turn.
    5) Can give orders to NPC armies in neighboring provinces.
    + few more..


    * These are included in case player becomes inactive.

    -Movement-

    The game has a risk style province-to-province movement. Each army can move 1 province per order(with one exception). Fleets can move 2 sea regions per order.

    -Manpower-

    Each province have a manpower limit. This shows how many units players can recruit in that province. However, it also shows the number of men who can be taxed. So, It's up to the players whether they recruit units but receive less tax and supplies or they don't recruit and receive more taxes and supplies.

    There are 2 different MP sections: Citizens and Locals.
    Citizens: 1) Possible to recruit legionaries; 2) More taxes; 3) Less supplies.
    Locals: 1) Possible to recruit auxiliaries; 2) Less taxes; 3) More supplies.

    -Recruitment-

    There are 2 different types of units: legionaries and auxiliaries.
    Legionary units are Legionaries, Heavy Cavalry and First Cohort.
    Auxiliary units are Archers, Spearmen, Light Infantry and Light Cavalry.
    The only siege equipment(catapults) can be recruited only during sieges and it will be disbanded after the siege.
    Since all players from the same faction share the same treasury then you have to decide who recruits and who doesn't. Otherwise you might find your faction bankrupt.

    -Reputation-

    Reputation shows how well your factions are seen by the people. Both faction start with equal reputation level. Your actions will determine whether it is lowered or raised.

    -Supplies&Taxes-

    Each unit need supplies and taxes(gold) are needed to recruit units. How large is the manpower in a province will determine how much supplies/taxes you get. Supplies&Taxes can only be collected by the governors or leaders of the factions. It takes an order to collect them(1 for supplies and another for taxes).

    -Miscellaneous-

    *Remember that losing units and manpower through looting/sieges will affect you in a lung run. It's not possible to replenish manpower during the game.
    *All players who choose to lead an army must choose a unit as his bodyguard unit. If it is destroyed then that player is dead. If the player is governor and enemy captures his city then he will die.
    *It's possible to switch a faction. This can be done only once. It's not possible to switch side if one faction controls 2/3 of public support(reputation is 65 or above).
    *There are other things that will be revealed during the game.
    *Ask if something is unclear. Whether in this thread or in private. The worst thing is if the game starts and players have no idea how it works.

    -Turns&Battles-

    The turn is divided into two parts: campaign and battle. Both last 2 days.
    During the campaign part you should decide your next moves. Discuss this with others in your faction(especially with the leader) and then PM me your orders.
    If there happens to be any battles I'll announce them and send the situation reports to the participants who should send me their plans for the battle.

    -Map-

    This is the map with all the provinces:
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    Provinces:
    Latium
    Apulia(Southern-Italy)
    Gallia Cisalpina(Northern-Italy)
    Gallia Comata(Northern-Gallia)
    Gallia Narbonensis(Southern-Gallia)
    Hispania Ulterior(Southern-Spain)
    Hispania Citerior(Northern-Spain)
    Africa
    Numidia
    Cyrenaica
    Aegyptus
    Judaea
    Syria
    Asia
    Galatia
    Macedonia
    Achaia
    Illyricum

    Each province is differently colored.

    There are also 6 sea regions: Coast of Spain, Coast of Italy, Central Mediterranean, Adriatic Sea, Aegean Sea, Eastern Mediterranean.


    -Military&Navy-

    At the start of the game there are 6 legions and 2 fleets. All of them can be picked by the players. If any of them is not chosen then they become Neutral. It's possible to make them join your faction using bribe(easy way) or influence(a bit more difficult).

    -Battles-

    Battles are fought on a map of 20*20 squares large. During the Deployment phase players can position their units in deployment area(5*20 squares large). In theory, you can have maximum of 50000 soldiers on field(500 men are in a Legionary Cohort)! However, I doubt that you have more than 10000 men in your armies. Units positioned you should give me the plan for the battle. I will try to follow it as best as I can.

    Here is the list of units:
    Units
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    Unit: Legionaries
    Descr: Heavy Infantry
    Attr: Shock
    Morale: 7
    Men: 500
    Supplies: 1
    Cost: 10

    Unit: Cavalry
    Descr: Heavy Cavalry
    Attr: Charge
    Morale: 7
    Men: 200
    Supplies: 3
    Cost: 20

    Unit: First Cohort
    Descr: Heavy Infantry
    Attr: Eagle, Shock
    Morale: 8
    Men: 1000
    Supplies: 1
    Cost: 40

    Unit: Archers
    Descr: Auxilia
    Attr: First Strike, Fire
    Morale: 4
    Men: 300
    Supplies: 0,5
    Cost: 5

    Unit: Spearmen
    Descr: Auxilia
    Attr: Shield wall
    Morale: 5
    Men: 300
    Supplies: 0,5
    Cost: 5

    Unit: Infantry
    Descr: Auxilia
    Attr: Fast moving
    Morale: 5
    Men: 300
    Supplies: 0,5
    Cost: 5

    Unit: Cavalry
    Descr: Auxilia
    Attr: First Strike, Fast moving
    Morale: 5
    Men: 100
    Supplies: 2
    Cost: 10


    Special:
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    Unit: Praetorians
    Descr: Heavy Infantry
    Attr: Eagel, Shock
    Morale: 8
    Men: 500
    Supplies: 2
    Cost: 50

    Unit: Catapults
    Descr: Siege
    Attr: Shock, Fire
    Morale: 3
    Supplies: 10
    Cost: 30


    Descriptions:
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    Legionaries {They are your main fighting force. Strong and disciplined they can fight and win against much larger enemy.}

    Cavalry {They are your heavy cavalry. They can beat almost any unit with their charge. Weak against spearmen.}

    1st Cohort {These men carry the legionary eagle. Their presence gives morale boost to any nearby unit.}

    Archer Auxilia {Keep these men out of trouble so that they can provide supporting fire to the legionaries.}

    Spearmen Auxilia {Weak against other infantry but strong against cavalry.}

    Infantry Auxilia {Light infantry whose job should be flanking or fighting enemy archers. Weak against cavalry.}

    Cavalry Auxilia {Best used against enemy heavy infantry. Good flankers. Can also be used to pursue enemy lighter troops.}

    Praetorians {These elite men will become available only if the Dictator becomes the Emperor. Their only task is to keep the Emperor safe.}

    Catapults {Can only be recruited during sieges. They can launch boulders or incendiary firepots at enemy fortifications.}
    Currently interested people(9):
    Diamondeye
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    Kagemusha
    God Emperor
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    Last edited by Ibn-Khaldun; 02-04-2011 at 15:35.

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    Default Re: The Senate - Civil War

    First in
    If God is great, and if God is good, why can't he change the hearts of men?"
    -Tom Waits, "The Road to Peace"

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    Default Re: The Senate - Civil War

    First post updated.

    Glad to have you, Diamondeye.

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    Default Re: The Senate - Civil War

    I just need to have the Imperator special role, the guy returning home with an army that dwarves the rest of the Empire and has to mow down everyone else.

    Or just the Dictator
    If God is great, and if God is good, why can't he change the hearts of men?"
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    Default Re: The Senate - Civil War

    In!

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    In, when in rome...
    Parla più piano e nessuno sentirà, il nostro amore lo viviamo io e te,
    nessuno sa la verità, neppure il cielo che ci guarda da lassù.
    Insieme a te io resterò,
    amore mio, sempre così.
    Parla più piano e vieni più vicino a me, Voglio sentire gli occhi miei dentro di te,
    nessuno sa la verità, è un grande amore e mai più grande esisterà.
    Insieme a te io resterò,
    amore mio, sempre così.
    Parla più piano e vieni più vicino a me,Voglio sentire gli occhi miei dentro di te,
    nessuno sa la verità,è un grande amore e mai più grande esisterà.

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    when in Rome, you DIE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seon View Post
    when in Rome, you DIE!
    Ah, but it is worth it. For the glory of Rome.
    Parla più piano e nessuno sentirà, il nostro amore lo viviamo io e te,
    nessuno sa la verità, neppure il cielo che ci guarda da lassù.
    Insieme a te io resterò,
    amore mio, sempre così.
    Parla più piano e vieni più vicino a me, Voglio sentire gli occhi miei dentro di te,
    nessuno sa la verità, è un grande amore e mai più grande esisterà.
    Insieme a te io resterò,
    amore mio, sempre così.
    Parla più piano e vieni più vicino a me,Voglio sentire gli occhi miei dentro di te,
    nessuno sa la verità,è un grande amore e mai più grande esisterà.

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    In Roman Republic, glory claims you!

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    Default Re: The Senate - Civil War

    First post updated!
    Anyone want to test the battles? Need 2 volunteers.
    Also, any questions?

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    I will join the sequel to the senate

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    Default Re: The Senate - Civil War

    Welcome to the Senate.. or what is left of it after this Civil War.

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    Default Re: The Senate - Civil War

    Ibn, why do the Praetorians have the same stats, twice the upkeep, cost 10 more, and half the men as the First Cohort?
    Last edited by Double A; 01-30-2011 at 18:22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double A View Post
    Ibn, why do the Praetorians have the same stats, twice the upkeep, cost 10 more, and half the men as the First Cohort?
    They can only be recruited in Latium(Rome) and will become available only if the Dictator becomes Emperor. They have half the numbers because there can be more than 1 unit of them in the legion. They cost more because they should be the elite. It is quite possible that they will never be recruited(if the Dictators side looses the war). Also, the upkeep is high so that players wouldn't spam them.

    Currently, all provinces produce a bit more supplies than the legions consume. However, once the Civil War starts some players have to act as governors(collecting taxes/supplies) or you can't support your factions legions. It's possible for the governors to improve the production of supplies but it takes some time. Basically, players in one faction must discuss their plans if they want to win.

    Edit: One more thing about supplies, the number shows how many supplies 100 men consume.
    Legionaries have 500 men in a unit. This means they consume 5 supplies per turn.
    First Cohort have 1000 men and will use 10 supplies.
    Cavalry have 200 men and use 6 supplies.
    Etc.

    However, the cost shows how much you have to pay for entire unit(5 for Auxiliary units, 20 for Cavalry etc).
    Last edited by Ibn-Khaldun; 01-30-2011 at 18:48.

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    Default Re: The Senate - Civil War

    So there's only one First Cohort?

    The "spam elite units" side of me is sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double A View Post
    So there's only one First Cohort?

    The "spam elite units" side of me is sad.
    Does every side of your personality involve spam?

    Yes Ibn-Khaldun that's an in, if I may.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double A View Post
    So there's only one First Cohort?

    The "spam elite units" side of me is sad.
    One First Cohort per Legion.

    Quote Originally Posted by johnhughthom View Post
    Does every side of your personality involve spam?

    Yes Ibn-Khaldun that's an in, if I may.
    Good to have you!

    Next week I'll ask the mods to move this thread to the Gameroom for sign ups. It would be nice to get at least 5 people for both factions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnhughthom View Post
    Does every side of your personality involve spam?
    The hunger part doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double A View Post
    The hunger part doesn't.
    A fine return to an excellent zing.
    If God is great, and if God is good, why can't he change the hearts of men?"
    -Tom Waits, "The Road to Peace"

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    Default Re: The Senate - Civil War

    Asking again: Does anyone want to help me with some test battles? I need only 2 volunteers.

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    How much work is it? If it's not a lot, I'm in.
    If God is great, and if God is good, why can't he change the hearts of men?"
    -Tom Waits, "The Road to Peace"

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    Im In and i can be your test animal! :)
    Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.

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    Default Re: The Senate - Civil War

    It's not that much of a work. You have to buy the units(how much each unit costs is mentioned in the first post), place them using Paint and give a short plan for the battle. That's all.

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    Default Re: The Senate - Civil War

    I apologize for the lack of news. I was busy with my real life and polishing this game.
    Anyway, I'll ask the mods to move this thread to the Gameroom. Yes, it's about to start! The sign ups will be open for couple of days and then the game begins.

    Now, once the sign ups are closed I'll send out the roles(Dictator and some special roles). Then I would expect you to pick your side during the first campaign phase. You can publicly announce it or you can send private message to me. But more importantly you have to send me a short list with what(army, fleet or province) you want to start. This will become the property of your faction though. Most likely some people will choose the same things. To counter that you should send a short list with your preferences.

    So, the PM you should send to me after the sign ups are closed should look like this:

    Hi,
    I will pick the Republican faction.
    My preferences:
    1. Aegyptus
    2. Legio III Africa
    3. Syria
    I'll use the "first come first served" method to determine who will get what.

    EDIT: I forgot to thank Diamondeye and Kagemusha for the test battle. Thank you!
    That test battle showed some flaws in my battle system. Anyway, I hope that now I have fixed them and solving battles would go much quicker.
    Btw, have I mentioned that there are sea battles in this game?
    Last edited by Ibn-Khaldun; 02-03-2011 at 22:34.

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    apparently the dictator is more powerful than the republican faction. so I will support the dictator faction (is this right what I am doing ) .. I am not at all certain if there are more things I must choose. please inform me :D
    In the game of chess you can never let your adversary see your pieces.

    I have got a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel

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    I am interested in joining.
    Days since the Apocalypse began
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    Default Re: The Senate - Civil War

    Two maps for you:
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    Map with province names

    Map with the current legions


    God Emperor, there is nothing wrong declaring with whom you stand. But you should send PM with what province/army/navy you want to start.
    However, wait with that until I close the sign ups and send out the roles.

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    Default Re: The Senate - Civil War

    Sign ups are closed!

    I will send out the roles now. If you don't receive any role from me then your are considered regular Senator who can pick what ever side he wants.

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    ((Will you post here once the roles are out so we know if that applies to us?))
    If God is great, and if God is good, why can't he change the hearts of men?"
    -Tom Waits, "The Road to Peace"

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    Roles have been sent.

    Please, send me the list with your prefrences and with your faction choice.
    Example:
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    Hi,
    I will pick the Republican faction.
    My preferences:
    1. Aegyptus
    2. Legio III Africa
    3. Syria


    Here are the Legions and fleets at the start of the game:
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    Legio I
    Gallia Comata
    First Cohort 1000
    Legionaries 4000
    Cavalry 200
    Aux Infantry 1500
    Aux Archers 600
    Aux Cavalry 600
    Aux Spearmen 900

    Legio II
    Hispania Citerior
    First Cohort 1000
    Legionaries 4000
    Cavalry 200
    Aux Infantry 1200
    Aux Archers 600
    Aux Cavalry 600
    Aux Spearmen 900

    Legio III
    Africa
    First Cohort 1000
    Legionaries 4000
    Cavalry 200
    Aux Infantry 1200
    Aux Archers 900
    Aux Cavalry 800
    Aux Spearmen 900


    Legio IV
    Aegyptus
    First Cohort 1000
    Legionaries 4000
    Cavalry 200
    Aux Infantry 1800
    Aux Archers 600
    Aux Cavalry 600
    Aux Spearmen 1200

    Legio V
    Syria
    First Cohort 1000
    Legionaries 4000
    Cavalry 200
    Aux Infantry 1500
    Aux Archers 900
    Aux Cavalry 1000
    Aux Spearmen 1200

    Legio VI
    Macedonia
    First Cohort 1000
    Legionaries 4000
    Cavalry 200
    Aux Infantry 1500
    Aux Archers 600
    Aux Cavalry 500
    Aux Spearmen 900

    Western Fleet
    Apulia
    3 Quinquiremes
    10 Triremes

    Eastern Fleet
    Asia
    3 Quinquiremes
    10 Triremes

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