Koinon Hellenon: Athens X Sparta (.org X TWCenter), a participative AAR - Athenai

[Molinaargh]

511 (265 BC)

Athenian orders:
-Some men from the Alliance Army to return to their own polis (Sparte and Athenai). (YES)
-Athenian Army to be rallied, reinforced and sent to take Kretai. (Not yet)
-Improve infrastructure and economy. (YES)

Spartan orders:
-Rhodos to supply the alliance with more men. (Not yet)
-Army of Sparte to be reinforced and retrained. (YES)
-Levy hoplites from Chalkis and Korinthos for the Alliance Army. (Yes, but they were sent to the Athenian and Spartan armies)
-Recruit cavalry mercenaries if possible. (No)

Some of the men from Alliance Army were sent home to see their families and rest for a while. They'd soon join the army of their poleis instead of returning to the League Army. Spartans...


...and Athenians both returned home.


The Spartan population problem was slowly being solved. The newest measure was the building of a granary.





In Athenai, the improved military equipment was now being distributed to the new recruits. The Athenian Hoplites were now a more fearsome force.


All over the Koinon more men were levied to join the armies of each polis.


In Sparta the equipment for the hoplites was now superior as well.


In order to continue fighting the population problem, some skirmishers were liberated from military duty and sent to live in Sparta.


Akrotatos got extremely tired of staying in Sparte and fighting population problems rather than fighting enemies. He wanted some action!


The Army of Athenai was ready to leave, with its new hoplites and cavalry from Chalkis. The fleet was also ready to take Doros and his men to Kretai.


But reports said that the Kretaioi had their fleet patrolling the northern coast of the island, exactly where Doros would have invaded from. He decided it was not worth the risk trying to attack now, since it was expected that the enemy fleet could intercept the Athenians before they could land. It would be better to attack after the winter was over.


The Athenian army then stayed garrisoned in their city. The Spartan one was sent to Korinthos to be trained by Areus, the former Strategos of the Koinon. The Alliance Army under Chremonides still stood ground in the countryside of Demetrias. The Macedonians seemed to present no danger and only sent a few scouting parties to the south of Pella every now and then.


In Asia Minor, the forces of Mytilene continued to fail in their conquest of Pergamon, but the polis was getting weaker and could soon fall to the Makedones.


The Athenian Boule is now open again, this time to advise on the actions to be undertaken in the last year before the Koinon Election.

[Walle]

I PROPOSE that we improve the military infrastructure in Demetrias even further, so we won't always have to go to another poleis for reinforcements.

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Arthourus who had returned after being at the Theatrôn for the last 5 hours arrived at the assembly briefly addressing certain matters:

Fellow Athenioi, philoi and trusted members of the assembly, to the far north there is a Basileon by the name of Getai. If I am not mistaken they too view the Makedones as their enemies.

I PROPOSE that we send a diplomat to their Basileus and try to establish trade relations with them, and if possible an alliance, as with such an alliance the Makedones would be facing a more united front, as we are already allied to Pyrrhos, the ruler of Eperios.

That the Kretoi fleet have delayed our strike at Kydonia is unfortunate but it allows us more time to prepare.

I PROPOSE we order our spy at Krete to infiltrate Kydonia, so that when our troops land our spy may have already opened the gate for them, and thus shortening the duration of that campaign, which I believe to be a good thing as we have other areas of interest.

I also PROPOSE that we expand our Agora and/or our trading port, whichever is the most feasible and only of course if we have the funds to spare."

Arthouros stopped briefly collecting his thoughts, before he ended his address.

"Finally I would like to add that I AGREE with the proposal brought forth by Kairos."

~Arthouros

[jirisys]

I PROPOSE that we improve the military infrastructure in Demetrias even further, so we won't always have to go to another poleis for reinforcements.

Arthourus who had returned after being at the Theatrôn for the last 5 hours arrived at the assembly briefly addressing certain matters:

Fellow Athenioi, philoi and trusted members of the assembly, to the far north there is a Basileon by the name of Getai. If I am not mistaken they too view the Makedones as their enemies.

I PROPOSE that we send a diplomat to their Basileus and try to establish trade relations with them, and if possible an alliance, as with such an alliance the Makedones would be facing a more united front, as we are already allied to Pyrrhos, the ruler of Eperios.

That the Kretoi fleet have delayed our strike at Kydonia is unfortunate but it allows us more time to prepare.

I PROPOSE we order our spy at Krete to infiltrate Kydonia, so that when our troops land our spy may have already opened the gate for them, and thus shortening the duration of that campaign, which I believe to be a good thing as we have other areas of interest.

I also PROPOSE that we expand our Agora and/or our trading port, whichever is the most feasible and only of course if we have the funds to spare."

Leumenes, now on leave, 25 years old, and with a companion in his house, he had now a more calm life. He arrived at the boule early, yet objected to say anything, his mind rambled between his woman, his friends and, most importantly, he was feeling lazy. Yet he stood up.

"I AGREE with both coucilors' proposals. I also would like to propose that the spartans to Aid the allied army (separately) in the seige of Thermon, as the warrior from the barbaroi tribes (who call themselves greek) who are settling there have desecrated the ilustrous Oracle at Deplphi, for which they deserve the cruelest of all deaths... The control of the polis until full integration is completed, may be given to Sparta as a sign of good will. Pella is ammasing a large army, we may need to move our athenian forces by sea to flank them if we end the siege of Thermon quickly. Also, I'd like to welcome Arthouros to my Party, and we may open relations with the spartans in the KH assembly even more."

He handed a note to the orator, with the proposals, in which he proceeded to read it:

I PROPOSE we besiege Thermon and ask the spartan army to siege it separately.
I PROPOSE if we capture it, not to enslave it, as the ones that desecrated are the barbaroi levies who patrol the polis, according to the messengers they sent forth.
I PROPOSE we leave the control of Thermon to the spartans, as an offer of good will and cooperation.
I PROPOSE we move the Athenian army by sea onto the other side of Pella at the same time as the Allied army may return fron Thermon (If possible to do so).
I PROPOSE we build siege engines or insert spies so we may end the siege far more easily, however, at a possible greater cost, so we need the Spartan army for a flank attack.

Leumenes sat down, realizing he had to do some work in the Academia, however, he wanted to stay in the Boule.

~Jirisys ()

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Arthouros said:

"I AGREE with Leumenes proposals"

~Arthouros

[Gaius Sempronius Gracchus]

Demosthenes had listened to the other speakers, and had contemplated their words, now he decided it was time to speak on these matters, as he saw them.

"I AGREE with the proposals set forth by Kairos and Arthourus. I DISAGREE, very strongly, with Leumenes' proposal to besiege Thermon. I have seen similar proposals within the Spartan council, and I do not understand the haste with which some seek to establish a war footing with another major power. While at the moment we are at peace with Epiros, such action as is proposed here would cause them the greatest suspicion of our intentions. We have won a victory against Macedon, but we have not won the war. Have we become drunk upon that victory? Have we lost our senses?

Thermon is well garrisoned, to take it will be an expensive, and in my opinion, rash move. Again, I implore this council to move against the Macedonians on Lesbos, and protect the freedom of the city of Pergamon. If we give the Macedons an inch, they will take mile after mile. To ignore their presence across the Aegean will allow them to strengthen and regroup. If we allow them that and make a move the Epirotes read as aggression against them, Hellas will become - again - a bloodbath.

It wasn't too long ago that voices were raised in this council about going to the aid of Sinope. Now we ignore their and Pergamon's plight, allowing the Macedons a foothold in Asia while offering war to a free city? We must defeat Macedon first. We cannot face Macedon and Epiros down at the same time. They would be wars on our very doorstep, our lands would be under the gravest threat.

Thermon will come under attack by Epiros. Let them take the losses, let them weaken the city. Then, and only then, should we interfere there. For once Epiros borders our lands, they will come for them, they are as greedy for our heritage as the Macedons. Be not fooled by the current 'peace' between us. Our priority must be to hem Macedon in.

I PROPOSE that we move against the Macedonians at Lesbos."

He seated himself again, and wondered if there were those who really believed the Macedons were defeated already.

[Gaius Sempronius Gracchus]

Demosthenes then rose again.

"Not only do I agree with Kairos' proposal but I PROPOSE that Demtrias be garrisoned. A well structured and organised garrison, combined with the strong walls of Demetrias, will prove a formidable weapon at which the Macedons can throw themselves. This would help free more alliance troops for... other matters, which I would hope would be the taking of Lesbos and the liberation of Pergamon."

[jirisys]

Leumenes, realizing his mistakes, stood up.

"Demosthenes, thank you, you have shown me the errors of my proposals, truly Mytilene should be helped as soon as we are able, so, I move to withdraw all my proposals and, also, AGREE with your proposals, furthermore, I PROPOSE we build walls as our primary building in Demetrias, so more makedonians die at our gates, and greeks stay safe inside. Let us on to liberate Lesbos, so we have a better position for trade and a catapult for campaigns in the Aegean and Pontos."

Leumenes sat down, happy that both Prytaneis were working together for the good of the Koinon.

~Jirisys ()

[fireblade]

Glaucos then spoke:

I AGREE with Kairos and Arthouros proposals.

I DISAGREE with any offensive action against mytilene for now, it is my strong believe, that taking Pella would weaken the Makedons a lot more. Let us forget about Asia minor until our homeland is secure. Because now, the alliance army has to remain on guard to protect from incursions coming from Pella, severely hampering our offensive capabilities. Yet, if after the conquest of Kretai, we throw all our strength against Pella, we can take it, and then proceed onto Epiros. Only after our homeland is secure, should we concern us with other regions, regions that might bring us in conflict with other powers.
Therefore I PROPOSE that after our conquest of Kretai, we muster our strength for an assault on Pella.

[The_Blacksmith]

Kaleros stood tall and wide, a master in horseriding and agoge, not the wisest of the athenian council but a man of millitary knowhow...

Makedonians... Ha, barbarian witout a shade of true greek courage! I PROPOSE that we rip the weed out with the root and go STRAIGHT for Pella, now or never! In a joint Athenai-Spartai assault, with everything we got!

may Ares and Athene be with you all wise and just friends!

I AGREE with the proposal brought forth by Kairos.

[Gaius Sempronius Gracchus]

"Leumenes, I thank you for your ability to see an argument for what it is, and - as a true Greek - to seperate it from the person. You are wise and magnanimous. May Ares watch over you with favour.

Glaucos, I understand your concern over Pella. For me the same reasoning attends to your proposal as any proposal to attack Thermon. It is well garrisoned, by experienced soldiers lead by experienced commanders. To take Pella will be to spill too much Greek blood and then place ourselves in direct line of sight of the Epirotes' expansionism; moreover, Pella is a place they will feel is theirs by right. Taking Mytilene, and bringing Pergamon into our sphere of influence will open up great trading possibilities, as well as weakening the Macedons. With allied enemies on all sides Pella will become a prison for the Macedons. Weaken Macedon, increase our trading abilities, and hold Pella - as Thermon - as a buffer between ourselves and further enemies within Hellas. Until such time as we are on a more favourable financial footing.

Let us take a longer view.

For those reasons I DISAGREE with the proposal to attack Pella."

[Gaius Sempronius Gracchus]

"Glaucos, I understand your concern over Pella. For me the same reasoning attends to your proposal as any proposal to attack Thermon. It is well garrisoned, by experienced soldiers lead by experienced commanders. To take Pella will be to spill too much Greek blood and then place ourselves in direct line of sight of the Epirotes' expansionism; moreover, Pella is a place they will feel is theirs by right. Taking Mytilene, and bringing Pergamon into our sphere of influence will open up great trading possibilities, as well as weakening the Macedons. With allied enemies on all sides Pella will become a prison for the Macedons. Weaken Macedon, increase our trading abilities, and hold Pella - as Thermon - as a buffer between ourselves and further enemies within Hellas. Until such time as we are on a more favourable financial footing.

Let us take a longer view.

For those reasons I DISAGREE with the proposal to attack Pella."

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Arthouros stood up and spoke:

"Demosthenes, I wholeheartedly AGREE, we cannot be too rash in this matter, for it is unwise to slay one foreign Tyrannos and then have to deal with the next one, when we have been weakened by our confrontation with the first.

In addition I am not so sure that we at this time have the mnai required to raise an army to face both the Makedones and the Epiriotai, which could be rectified somewhat if we gain control over Krete and Mytilene.

As it is advisable that we do not assault Pella at this time, perhaps we can play Pyrrhos and Antigonos Gonatas against each other?

I PROPOSE we send a diplomat to the court of Pyrrhos, advising him to launch an assault at Pella *, telling him that our forces will be there as well, while we actually order our troops to stay where they are, thereby weakening both of them.


I also PROPOSE that we fortify the mountain pass to the west of Demetrias, so that the Makedones cannot pass through there as easily, giving us more time to prepare for the eventual defence of Demetrias."

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*(request military assistance/"Attack faction Makedonia")

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Arthouros added:

"I also PROPOSE that we ask the Spartatai to let us Athenians decide the governance of Kydonia in exchange for that we upon the future liberation of Thermon, allow them to decide the system of governance there."


~Arthouros

[jirisys]

Glaucos then spoke:

I AGREE with Kairos and Arthouros proposals.

I DISAGREE with any offensive action against mytilene for now, it is my strong believe, that taking Pella would weaken the Makedons a lot more. Let us forget about Asia minor until our homeland is secure. Because now, the alliance army has to remain on guard to protect from incursions coming from Pella, severely hampering our offensive capabilities. Yet, if after the conquest of Kretai, we throw all our strength against Pella, we can take it, and then proceed onto Epiros. Only after our homeland is secure, should we concern us with other regions, regions that might bring us in conflict with other powers.
Therefore I PROPOSE that after our conquest of Kretai, we muster our strength for an assault on Pella.

Kaleros stood tall and wide, a master in horseriding and agoge, not the wisest of the athenian council but a man of millitary knowhow...

Makedonians... Ha, barbarian witout a shade of true greek courage! I PROPOSE that we rip the weed out with the root and go STRAIGHT for Pella, now or never! In a joint Athenai-Spartai assault, with everything we got!

may Ares and Athene be with you all wise and just friends!

I AGREE with the proposal brought forth by Kairos.

Leumenes, very groggy from his sleep stood up.

I DISAGREE with your proposals, It would be wiser to have them sorrounded in mainland, rather than protected by sea. As their last stand won't be so small.

Arthouros stood up and spoke:

"Demosthenes, I wholeheartedly AGREE, we cannot be too rash in this matter, for it is unwise to slay one foreign Tyrannos and then have to deal with the next one, when we have been weakened by our confrontation with the first.

In addition I am not so sure that we at this time have the mnai required to raise an army to face both the Makedones and the Epiriotai, which could be rectified somewhat if we gain control over Krete and Mytilene.

As it is advisable that we do not assault Pella at this time, perhaps we can play Pyrrhos and Antigonos Gonatas against each other?

I PROPOSE we send a diplomat to the court of Pyrrhos, advising him to launch an assault at Pella *, telling him that our forces will be there as well, while we actually order our troops to stay where they are, thereby weakening both of them.


I also PROPOSE that we fortify the mountain pass to the west of Demetrias, so that the Makedones cannot pass through there as easily, giving us more time to prepare for the eventual defence of Demetrias."

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

*(request military assistance/"Attack faction Makedonia")

Arthouros added:

"I also PROPOSE that we ask the Spartatai to let us Athenians decide the governance of Kydonia in exchange for that we upon the future liberation of Thermon, allow them to decide the system of governance there."


~Arthouros

I AGREE with your proposals Arthouros.

Leuemenes sat down, half asleep.

~Jirisys ()

[Gaius Sempronius Gracchus]

"Arthourus, I AGREE with all three of your recent proposals. Rather than wait for Epiros to attack Macedon we should, as you suggest, encourage it. If we have, by that time, crushed their forces in Asia, then we might approach them with an offer of peace and protection... so as to avoid for as long as possible direct confrontation with Epiros. And it is always wise to fortify one's borders and passes."

[Molinaargh]

Session over.

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Kairos (Walle) proposal:

Improve the military infrastructure in Demetrias

Status: 5 AGREE , (Arthouros, Leumenes, Demosthenes, Glaucos, Kaleros), none against.



Arthouros first batch of proposals:

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1. Send diplomat to Getai, ask for alliance and trade rights.

2. Spy at Krete to infiltrate Kydonia, hopefully opening the gate for our forces.

3. Expand the Agora in Athenai/and or our trading port, whichever is the most feasible.

Status: 3 AGREE (Leumenes, Demosthenes, Glaucos).



Demosthenes proposals:

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1. That we move against the Macedonians at Lesbos.

Status: 2 AGREE , (Leumenes, Arthouros) one DISAGREE (Glaucos)

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2. That Demtrias is to be garrisoned.

Status: 2 AGREE, (Leumenes, Arthouros)



Arthouros second batch of proposals:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

1. Tricking Pyrrhos into attacking Pella, not giving him any military support, in order to weaken both him and Antigonos Gonatas. I.e. Send diplomat to Epeiros, ask them to attack Makedonia.

2. Fortify the mountain pass west of Demetrias.

3. That we ask the Spartatai to let Athenai decide the governance of Kydonia in exchange for that we let them decide the system of Governance of Thermon, upon its liberation by our combined forces.

Status: 2 AGREE
(Leumenes, Demosthenes)


Proposal by Glaucos:

Assault Pella

Status: 1 AGREE (Kaleros) 3 DISAGREE (Arthouros, Leumenes, Demosthenes)


Leumenes proposal:

"I PROPOSE we build walls as our primary building in Thermon, so more makedonians die at our gates, and greeks stay safe inside."

If I'm not mistaken none have either agreed nor disagreed to this, and since this session is over... I support it for the next session anyway.


Thought this should make things a bit easier for Molinaargh, not sure if I can keep this up though. Kinda copied this from TWC, and saw that you wished the Athenians do the same.

[Molinaargh]

Yes, thanks for that.

[jirisys]

You forgot mine:

I PROPOSE we build walls as our primary building in Demetrias, so more makedonians die at our gates, and greeks stay safe inside.

~Jirisys ()

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

~Arthur

[Molinaargh]

512 (264 BC)

Spartan orders:
-Alliance with Getai tribes. (Yes)
-Population of Pella to be expelled if conquered. (Not yet)
-Akrotatos moved to Athenai to study in its Academy. (Yes)
-Spartan Army to be reinforced from Korinthos. (Yes)
-Attempt to take Thermon if conditions allow. (Not yet)

Athenian orders:
-Alliance with Getai tribes. (Yes)
-Improve military recruitment and defences in Demetrias. (Yes)
-Assault Kydonia as soon as possible. (Yes)
-Fortify the mountain pass to the west of Demetrias. (Yes)
-Lesbos to be the next target. (Not yet)
-Pyrrhos to be asked to attacked Pella. The Koinon will not aid him. (No)


I have become extremely efficient in writing and formatting these reports, councilors.

Damasos was sent to build a small western fort, as per Athenian Council orders.


The Makedones seemed to be aware of the Koinon's strong defensive position, and an army left towards the East, making Pella more vulnerable.


The two forts gave much safety to the newly-icorporated polis of Demetrias.


A deal was attempted with the Epeirotes that would make Pyrrhos attack the Makedones, but they brushed off our offers.





In the coast of Kretai, Doros and the Athenian Army were attacked before they could land near Kydonia.





The Athenian retreating ships ended up to the south of the island, and insisted in an assault from there.





But pirates found the Athenian Fleet soon after the desembark and sunk all of its ships. The last hope of the expedition was that Doros could quickly conquer Kydonia.





He assaulted it as soon as possible, and in the first battle of his life, as well as the first battle he commanded, he was up against Ainesidemos, an experienced Kretaioi strategos.














He still managed to win and conquer Kretai, which would now be a part of the Koinon under the influence of Athenai.


Sympathetic towards the Spartans and their problems, Doros chose to move much of the population from Kretai to Lakonia. The helots were moved from Kydonia to Sparte to solve the population problem once and for all.


After pacifying the region, all government possibilities were available for the Athenians, and the Kretai waited on what would be their faith once the Athenian Army left their city. It's worth reminding that a new fleet would have to be built first.


Doros's men could also be fully retrained in the polis.


Back in Sparte, the economy was being improved by clearing the coast to perhaps build a trading port, which would be expensive, but profitable, especially due to the recent acquisition of Kretai.


With the population boost, new and strong hoplites were trained in the polis.


Akrotatos had left a few months before to study in the Academy of Athens, where he was rather enjoying life and the change of scenario. He was learning much and helping in Athenian administration, being the Hegemon of the Koinon.


In Demetrias, reinforcements were being retrained and recruited.


Further north, the Epeirotes had succeeded where the Makedones had failed, conquering the village of Serdike and its surroundings.


They sent a scouting party from Serdike to Pella, but such small army was soon chased down and crushed by the Basileos.


In the extreme north, contact was made with the Getai tribes, who seemed to enjoy the art of war and could therefore be useful allies.











In Anatolia, Mytilene once again failed in their attempt of conquering Pergamon, even though they had a great army. At this point, it was unlikely that any Makedon nobleman in Mytilene would declare himself King of Makedonia should Pella fall, it was more likely that the polis would simply declare its independence. And Pella was now weaker than the island of Lesbos.


The situation of the Koinon in the winter of 512. Such situation was about to change, though, with the Koinon Elections coming up.

[Molinaargh]

KOINON ELECTIONS



State of the Alliance:



Offices:



Candidates:

Here in Athenai, one Athenian candidate must be nominated to the position of Strategos and another to the position of Hegemon.

I'd like to remind you that Chremonides may not be re-elected for the position of Strategos.

If anyone wishes to challenge the position of Party Leader of their party, they must state their candidature. Otherwise the same Party Leaders will be re-elected in their position.

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Arthouros spoke:

"Philoi, esteemed members of the assembly, our forces have won a great victory at Krete! Allow me to commend Doros for his military prowess.

As to the matter of how the Kretai should be governed:

I PROPOSE that we make Krete a democratic Kleroucheia.

That our fleet was sunk by the Kretoi pirates is troublesome, as it both means that Doros is stranded at Krete, and that our naval power in the Aegean is compromised.

Therefore, I PROPOSE that we raise a new fleet preferably a fleet of Trireme in order to nullify this problem."

Arthouros sat down, collecting his thoughts before entering the discussions on who should be the Athenian candidate for the offices of Strategos and Hegemon.

[jirisys]

Leumenes, busy with the affairs of life, now 26. He was a scholar administrator in the Akademia, a Somatophylakes of Chremonides, and almost a husband and father. He had little time in the Boule, yet, he knew his situation would change quickly. He stood up, with his breard hanging stadia from his chin.

"My men, we have won a very costly victory, the men lost were too numerous, we lost a fleet to pirates. Yet our trade increases. I am glad to see the koinon working together. I would like to PROPOSE we build a regional Tyrannos in Kretai, as their governor was one, and bringing democracy may cause unrest. Even more because we killed many of their citiziens. Let us leave them to the Tyrannos, as we would not be able to manage it because of it's distance, and a Tyrannos would stop piracy in the area due to it's power to legislate and dictate orders. A democracy on an island far from mainland would be useless, as they would act without support from the other polis. I AGREE with Arthouros Second proposal."

He sat down, having to leave the Boule, for a short time.

~Jirisys ()

[Paltmull]

Therefore, I PROPOSE that we raise a new fleet preferably a fleet of Trireme in order to nullify this problem."

I AGREE.

If Doros is to go through that Spartan agoge, we'd better recruit ships and get him there ASAP. When i suggested that he'd go to Sparta in the end of his 19th year, I had no idea that he would be sent off to Krete.

And since Mytilene is likely to declare it's independence if Pella falls, I also PROPOSE that the next city we conquer is Pella, and not Mytilene.

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Arthouros once again addressed the assembly, this time on the matter of who should be the Athenian candidate for the offices of Hegemon and Strategos respectively:

"Doros won a great victory at Kydonia, expanding the range of our Koinon to the people of Krete, and therefore I nominate him for the office of Strategos.

I also nominate Chremonides Aithalidos Attikos for the office of Hegemon."

~Arthouros

[Paltmull]

Arthouros once again addressed the assembly, this time on the matter of who should be the Athenian candidate for the offices of Hegemon and Strategos respectively:

"Doros won a great victory at Kydonia, expanding the range of our Koinon to the people of Krete, and therefore I nominate him for the office of Strategos.

I also nominate Chremonides Aithalidos Attikos for the office of Hegemon."

~Arthouros

If Doros is to go through the Spartan agoge, as was the will of both him and many of this council, he will be unable to hold any office during this period.

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Visst, ja. Då nominerar jag endast Doros ifall han mot förmodan inte hinner till Sparte innan året är slut.

Muhahah, nu måste alla ni icke-svensktalande använda Google-översätt, vars översättning är ca 10 % rätt. Jag är så tvetydigt ondskefull!

... Uhm ja.

~Arthouros

[Molinaargh]

If Doros is to go through the Spartan agoge, as was the will of both him and many of this council, he will be unable to hold any office during this period.

He may hold the office, there are no laws against that. Problem is he'll be stuck in Sparta. He has literally 0% chance of becoming Strategos, so he is guaranteed to become Polemarchos if he runs for the position of Strategos.

There is no downside to this since Chremonides may only run for Hegemon.