Koinon Hellenon: Athens X Sparta (.org X TWCenter), a participative AAR - Athenai

[jirisys]

I PROPOSE that we attack Mytilene now with the Alliance army
and I PROPOSE that we establish a democratic Klerouchoi there.
I PROPOSE that we use the athenian army for the defence against Macedonia.
After we captured Lesbos I PROPOSE that we force Macedonia into a peace treaty and to pay tribute to us. They must fear our superior forces but Macedonia is still a strong nation and they have a lot men that can serve in the army and it's unrealistic to believe that we can control them now. (you should use Force Diplomacy this time)
I PROPOSE that we forbid any action against Aitolia. They are our allies.
To make up for this I PROPOSE that the Sparta can appoint a new Polemarchos and use our fleet if they want to attack another enemy. They're warriors and we should not forbid them to fight.

I: I AGREE with your proposal

II: I DISAGREE with your proposal, as an Tyranneia or Allied Kingdom would be more suitable for remote colonies. Therefore, I PROPOSE an Allied Basileion to be instituted in Lesbos.

III: I Already proposed that before you edited it, so... I'll have to AGREE

IV: I PARTIALLY AGREE as long as he has FD installed.

V: I PARTIALLY DISAGREE we must be ready if the epirots want to desecrate Delphoi, we should be ready to defend them.

VI: It's NOT POSSIBLE until the next KH elections

"I thank you Leumenes for your support. I see that you are truly a godly man.

We must be deeply saddened by the loss of our ally Areus. Whatever his shortcomings, he for the good of the Koinon. Therefore I PROPOSE our ambassador sends the Spartan council an offical Eulogy to Areus so his loss further strenghtens our bond.

I AGREE with the proposals of Leumenens to build up our infrastructure and a professional force, letting our levied men return to their homes. Of course this tranistion must be done with caution.

I also AGREE with the proposals to atach Lesbos with the alliance army with the aid of Sparta and garrison Demetrias with the Athenian army. Now is the time. Believing this will open a new front is speculation. A swift strike can bring down Macedonian influence an establish us at the coastline of Asia without disturbing the balance of power in the region.."

Enyalio stepped down and took his seat, musing wich party most closly responded to his ideals.

I AGREE, in fact, I will go there personally and say it in the assembly myself

Arthouros stood up and smiled, and began with addressed the newest addition to the assembly:

"I AGREE with all three of your recent proposals Enyalio. It would seem you are already becoming an upstanding member of the ekklesia. Furthermore allow me to congratulate Demosthenes on becoming Epistates. It is my firm belief that he will prove fit for such a high position amongst our people.

When we have liberated Mytilene, we will not be under immediate threat of hostilities by the major powers of Asia, as Pergamon will act as a buffer of sorts. However it is probably wise to plan ahead so to speak. It is my belief that it is more beneficial for the Hellenic free peoples that the status quo between the Arche Seleukeia and Ptolemaoi is to be maintained, but it is only a matter of time until one of them gains the upper hand, and may turn upon us when their respective "big bad rival" is gone.

Therefore I PROPOSE that we inquire map information - and/or send spies to their lands - from the Arche Seleukeia, and our Ptolemaio allies, so that we can see how their ongoing war progresses, so that we can plan our actions accordingly."

I AGREE with your proposal.

Arthouros added:

"Some in the Spartatai assembly are proposing that Pergamon is to be conquered after our liberation of Mytilene. Also it appears to be some sort of desire amongst some of them to bind Pergamon and/or Mytilene closer to them, by attacking using the Spartan armies. Am I correct in the notion that we Athenioi control all of the Koinon fleet at this time? In any event I PROPOSE that we block any attempts on their behalf to deploy the Spartatai army in Mikra Asia independently and that all Koinon forces that are going to be deployed to Mikra Asia, (Spartatai reinforcement included) are to be placed directly under Alliance command. Mytilene is to stay neutral in inter-Koinon politics and Pergamon shall not be forced into the Koinon"

I AGREE, the Pergamoneans have had enough with their independence from Arche Seleukeia, we do not need to incite them if we are going to force them.

Arthouros added:

"Also, upon the liberation of Mytilene I PROPOSE that its population is neither enslaved nor expelled. The reason to why I propose this is quite simple; the last time the Alliance Army seized a polis we Athenoi had not decided upon a stance regarding how the populace would be treated, and as such the Spartan motion to enslave Demetrias population was carried out. That is something I would like to avoid in the future."

Arthouros was seated again.


~Arthouros

I AGREE, those are good greek, supporting the ways of the polis, yet we also need barbaroi slaves however, The northern tribes would provide us many I believe.

Okay how about this then:

Arthouros spoke:

"It is probably best if we give the Spartatai something in return... After the liberation of Mytilene and after the Alliance army have returned to Hellas proper, I PROPOSE the following:

* That the Spartan reinforcements to the Allied army be returned to a Spartatai general of their choosing.

* That the Alliance army aid the Spartatai in taking Thermon

* Let the Spartatai decide upon the system of governance there.

This is of course only if they agree to the proposal to aid the Allied army in Mikra Asia."

Molinaargh could you leave the session open until some other people have voiced their opinions on these new proposals? Thanks in advance.

I: I AGREE with this proposal.

II and III: I DISAGREE with these proposals, Thermon can destroy our armies, it would be more prudent to wait for them to call for our aid against Epiros.

I PROPOSE that no Spartan or Athenian generals and no larger quantity of Spartan or Athenian soldiers remain in Asia Minor after the conquest of Mytilene. The garrison should be levied there.

I AGREE with this proposal.

With this Leumenes rode to Lakedaimonia, uncertain of what was going on there.

~Jirisys ()