Koinon Hellenon: Athens X Sparta (.org X TWCenter), a participative AAR - Athenai

[Molinaargh]

What about our fleet? Could you please tell us what units it consists of?

The Alliance Fleet was disbanded as it was too expensive to maintain. Athens might be able to build ships if the gold isn't spent elsewhere.

[Drag0nUL]

The Alliance Fleet was disbanded as it was too expensive to maintain. Athens might be able to build ships if the gold isn't spent elsewhere.

Rgr. Missed that line, sorry. Wanted to suggest disbanding myself.

The Spartans might hold the offices of power for now, but we all know where most of the silver that funds this alliance comes from: and that is here, from the city of Athens! Let the Spartans fight, for that is what they do best and while they keep the Macedonian barbarians at bay, let us do what we do best: let us trade. For with trade comes wealth, and with wealth we can raise troops and hire mercenaries. Therefore, I PROPOSE we build a trading port.

[jirisys]

The spartans have beaten us, but yet, they have nowhere to go; the only way towards mainland is through Termon, and they will take time besieging that city. The other way around is through Attike, we must block our boundaries against spartan armies, Mytilene is defenseless and sorrounded, we must besiege it with whatever force we can (recruit at the least the most petty ship and use our own men as oarsmen), recruit more men as reinforcements for Athens (not telling the spartans, we sally to besiege but tell them our city is in dire need of supplies so we were forced to disband our levy army, so that they give us some men for training), and hold some men for the siege of Chalkis in the future, and make them come to us, not the other way around. If we capture it, we would gain loot, men and loyalty (We can also say that it capitulated to us, because the Arche Makedonia would not send reinforcements and were trapped without supplies). And we will have all the way cleared for Demetrias once we get a hold of many brave men. We must resort to violence, but, unlike our spartan brethren, we must think our actions ahead.

I PROPOSE we must build the smallest fleet so that we may invade Mytilene, secretly of course, we could hire some pirates also (Lemboi) from either Rhodos or Athenai.
I PROPOSE we must besiege Mytilene (reducing their supplies, making them angrier at the Makedonians for the lack of support), and recruit levy hoplites each season with spartan men, with the aforementioned excuse; so that our treasury and influence grows higher.
I PROPOSE we must not let spartan troops wander our lands, and use as excuse that Athens is in very need of food, and it's farmers cannot give supplies to the spartan troops.
I PROPOSE we levy some men from the spartans' that will be given to us for the legal and completely transparent siege of Chalkis, let us gain enough support so that we hold the Hegemon office, and if it were better, the stragegos office.
I AGREE with Drag0nUL's proposal (as long as we have enough money for both).

~Jirisys ()

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

I AGREE with jirisys motion.

[jirisys]

I AGREE with jirisys motion.

Corrected it for you

~Jirisys (Hint: Agreeing is with green)

[Molinaargh]

271 BC

Athenian orders:
-Improve trading ports in Athens.
-Try to stop the Spartans from marching through Athenian land.
-Try to convince the Spartans to lend some men to the Athenian army.
-Besiege Mytilene.

Spartan orders:
-Separate the Spartan forces from the Alliance Army.
-Recruit Archers and Horsemen in Sparta to reinforce the Spartan army.

After the Koinon Hellenon meeting in Korinthos in the winter of 272 BC, the men returned to their own cities.


Akrotatos Agiados got married in Sparta, but then moved back to Korinthos to perform his duties as Hegemon of the Alliance. Chremonides joined the Eleusian Mysteries, gaining political allies in Athens and throughout the Hellenic cities.


In Sparte, as per council order, Archers were recruited. These archers would not reinforce the Alliance army, though, but the Spartan army...


...which was formed by detaching many Spartan men from the Alliance army. Eudamidas, the lesser Spartan King, was to lead the Spartans while Areus led the Allies. But the Spartan Army was still weak and required new recruits, particularly archers and horsemen. The Spartans found there were no good horsemen to be trained in their own city, and that hiring mercenaries of these sort would be far too expensive.



In order to acquire the mounted troops, the Spartans came to the Athenians. The Athenians, in their place, wanted to strengthen their army, and suggested that they'd train a number of horsemen for the Spartans in exchange of the Athenian troops that were in the Alliance Army. Remembering the orders of his council of the necessity of the mounted forces, Areus accepted the deal and sent some of the Alliance's men to the Athenians.


Chremonides was glad the Spartans would not only refrain from marching through Attike, but they would also lend some men from the Alliance Army to the Athenian forces.



Some Athenian hoplites and skirmishers went back to their city, where they joined Chremonides for the siege of Chalkis (there was no fleet to take the men all the way to Mytilene).





The Athenians kept their promise during the siege and sent the Spartans a small band of horsemen.


In Sparta, archers were trained.


The Spartan Army grew strong, even stronger than the Alliance Army.


Meanwhile, the Koinon Hellenon recieved news of distant Hellenes allies who had been attacked by Pontos.





Immediatly war was declared on the aggressors.


By the end of the year, Chalkis was under siege. The Macedonians desperately tried to send men to support the city, but did so in a disorganized way. These macedonians were now in the coast of Chalkis and near Athens. The Spartan Army and the Alliance Army stood ground by Korinthos.

It is time for the councils of Sparta and Athens to reunite again to decide the next moves of each city.


The Athenian Council session is now open to decide what must be done in the next year, 270BC.

[jirisys]

I PROPOSE we must levy some more hoplites, from Athens, so that it may defend her and/or help the besiegers.
I PROPOSE we must make the Makedonian army to attack us, so whe have the upper hand in defense, and destroy their army and make their city capitulate.
I PROPOSE we must hire some pirates (Lemboi) either in Rhodos or Athenai, so we can, first, capture Mytilene and also make a hybrid assault on Sinope when it is captured since we wouldn't be able to arrive in time.
I PROPOSE, since the spartans have been so understanding, we must allow them to traverse to Attike, but only the Ally army and only to defend Athenai (as an excuse so we have more men for the siege and consequent invasions).
I PROPOSE we must acquire trade rights with the Epeirotai, and propose a ceasefire with Basileion ton Pontos, so that they do not imagine our intentions.
I PROPOSE we must ask Moolinaargh not to reveal our secret objectives in the Spartan assembly and vice-versa .

~Jirisys (I should be Hegemon )

[Drag0nUL]

I AGREE with Jirisys's motion.

[The_Blacksmith]

and propose a ceasefire with Basileion ton Pontos, so that they do not imagine our intentions.

I DISAGREE with this half of jirisys' motion, Sinope is our allied! we cant turn our backs on them in public!

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

The Alliance Fleet was disbanded as it was too expensive to maintain. Athens might be able to build ships if the gold isn't spent elsewhere.

Disbanding the fleet was a bad decision. It should have been used to attack the Macedonian fleet. And now we can't ship reinforcements from Rhodes to Athens until we build another ship.

What's the point of having advisers if you're going to make unilateral decisions? I give up....

[jirisys]

Disbanding the fleet was a bad decision. It should have been used to attack the Macedonian fleet. And now we can't ship reinforcements from Rhodes to Athens until we build another ship.

What's the point of having advisers if you're going to make unilateral decisions? I give up....

The spartans are the Hegemon, they may have ordered it's destruction, remember?

~Jirisys ()

[Molinaargh]

Disbanding the fleet was a bad decision. It should have been used to attack the Macedonian fleet. And now we can't ship reinforcements from Rhodes to Athens until we build another ship.

What's the point of having advisers if you're going to make unilateral decisions? I give up....

I disbanded the fleet during the first 3 seasons, in which I played by my own will to get the game in a position where I felt would be better to start the participation system, and also because I wanted a good-looking update with screenshots and everything to start it off.

It was not a bad decision, in my opinion, as the Macedonian ships don't mean any harm. Plus, with the current debt/small income we can't pump units out of 4 different cities (Rhodos, Korinthos, Sparte and Athenai), and there were only 2 crappy units in Rhodes, one of which I also disbanded and left only 1 as the city garrison. My decision can't have been so wrong since Drag0nUL was also going to suggest disbanding the ships himself.

I do hope you keep reading this AAR and continue to participate, I appreciate your presence here.

And thanks to everyone else who's been participating, keep going!

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

I disbanded the fleet during the first 3 seasons, in which I played by my own will to get the game in a position where I felt would be better to start the participation system, and also because I wanted a good-looking update with screenshots and everything to start it off.

It was not a bad decision, in my opinion, as the Macedonian ships don't mean any harm. My decision can't have been so wrong since Drag0nUL was also going to suggest disbanding the ships himself.

Maintaining the fleet wouldn't have cost much money, since at least two-thirds of the ships would have been sunk in battle during the first year of the campaign. And the Macedonian ships hopefully would have all been sunk.

The Macedonian ships indeed aren't much threat - but ONLY because we are 'exploiting' the stupidity of the AI to do anything meaningful with them.

If Macedon was controlled by a human player, he would now send one Macedonian ship to each of our main ports, Rhodes, Athens, and Corinth, and blockade them. Our economy would be crippled, spiralling us into endless debt. And without ships of our own, and no money, there would be nothing we could do about it unless we disbanded most of our army to pay for a new fleet.

That's why, just for the purposes of realistic roleplaying, I would have preferred not to disband the fleet. Koinon Hellenon would never have done that in reality. Rhodes and Athens were both completely economically dependent on control of the sea historically.