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    Default Re: Koinon Hellenon: Athens X Sparta (.org X TWCenter), a participative AAR - Athenai

    The spartans have beaten us, but yet, they have nowhere to go; the only way towards mainland is through Termon, and they will take time besieging that city. The other way around is through Attike, we must block our boundaries against spartan armies, Mytilene is defenseless and sorrounded, we must besiege it with whatever force we can (recruit at the least the most petty ship and use our own men as oarsmen), recruit more men as reinforcements for Athens (not telling the spartans, we sally to besiege but tell them our city is in dire need of supplies so we were forced to disband our levy army, so that they give us some men for training), and hold some men for the siege of Chalkis in the future, and make them come to us, not the other way around. If we capture it, we would gain loot, men and loyalty (We can also say that it capitulated to us, because the Arche Makedonia would not send reinforcements and were trapped without supplies). And we will have all the way cleared for Demetrias once we get a hold of many brave men. We must resort to violence, but, unlike our spartan brethren, we must think our actions ahead.

    I PROPOSE we must build the smallest fleet so that we may invade Mytilene, secretly of course, we could hire some pirates also (Lemboi) from either Rhodos or Athenai.
    I PROPOSE we must besiege Mytilene (reducing their supplies, making them angrier at the Makedonians for the lack of support), and recruit levy hoplites each season with spartan men, with the aforementioned excuse; so that our treasury and influence grows higher.
    I PROPOSE we must not let spartan troops wander our lands, and use as excuse that Athens is in very need of food, and it's farmers cannot give supplies to the spartan troops.
    I PROPOSE we levy some men from the spartans' that will be given to us for the legal and completely transparent siege of Chalkis, let us gain enough support so that we hold the Hegemon office, and if it were better, the stragegos office.
    I AGREE with Drag0nUL's proposal (as long as we have enough money for both).

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    I AGREE with jirisys motion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur, king of the Britons View Post
    I AGREE with jirisys motion.
    Corrected it for you

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    271 BC

    Athenian orders:
    -Improve trading ports in Athens.
    -Try to stop the Spartans from marching through Athenian land.
    -Try to convince the Spartans to lend some men to the Athenian army.
    -Besiege Mytilene.

    Spartan orders:
    -Separate the Spartan forces from the Alliance Army.
    -Recruit Archers and Horsemen in Sparta to reinforce the Spartan army.


    After the Koinon Hellenon meeting in Korinthos in the winter of 272 BC, the men returned to their own cities.


    Akrotatos Agiados got married in Sparta, but then moved back to Korinthos to perform his duties as Hegemon of the Alliance. Chremonides joined the Eleusian Mysteries, gaining political allies in Athens and throughout the Hellenic cities.


    In Sparte, as per council order, Archers were recruited. These archers would not reinforce the Alliance army, though, but the Spartan army...


    ...which was formed by detaching many Spartan men from the Alliance army. Eudamidas, the lesser Spartan King, was to lead the Spartans while Areus led the Allies. But the Spartan Army was still weak and required new recruits, particularly archers and horsemen. The Spartans found there were no good horsemen to be trained in their own city, and that hiring mercenaries of these sort would be far too expensive.



    In order to acquire the mounted troops, the Spartans came to the Athenians. The Athenians, in their place, wanted to strengthen their army, and suggested that they'd train a number of horsemen for the Spartans in exchange of the Athenian troops that were in the Alliance Army. Remembering the orders of his council of the necessity of the mounted forces, Areus accepted the deal and sent some of the Alliance's men to the Athenians.


    Chremonides was glad the Spartans would not only refrain from marching through Attike, but they would also lend some men from the Alliance Army to the Athenian forces.



    Some Athenian hoplites and skirmishers went back to their city, where they joined Chremonides for the siege of Chalkis (there was no fleet to take the men all the way to Mytilene).





    The Athenians kept their promise during the siege and sent the Spartans a small band of horsemen.


    In Sparta, archers were trained.


    The Spartan Army grew strong, even stronger than the Alliance Army.


    Meanwhile, the Koinon Hellenon recieved news of distant Hellenes allies who had been attacked by Pontos.





    Immediatly war was declared on the aggressors.


    By the end of the year, Chalkis was under siege. The Macedonians desperately tried to send men to support the city, but did so in a disorganized way. These macedonians were now in the coast of Chalkis and near Athens. The Spartan Army and the Alliance Army stood ground by Korinthos.

    It is time for the councils of Sparta and Athens to reunite again to decide the next moves of each city.


    The Athenian Council session is now open to decide what must be done in the next year, 270BC.

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    Default Re: Koinon Hellenon: Athens X Sparta (.org X TWCenter), a participative AAR - Athenai

    I PROPOSE we must levy some more hoplites, from Athens, so that it may defend her and/or help the besiegers.
    I PROPOSE we must make the Makedonian army to attack us, so whe have the upper hand in defense, and destroy their army and make their city capitulate.
    I PROPOSE we must hire some pirates (Lemboi) either in Rhodos or Athenai, so we can, first, capture Mytilene and also make a hybrid assault on Sinope when it is captured since we wouldn't be able to arrive in time.
    I PROPOSE, since the spartans have been so understanding, we must allow them to traverse to Attike, but only the Ally army and only to defend Athenai (as an excuse so we have more men for the siege and consequent invasions).
    I PROPOSE we must acquire trade rights with the Epeirotai, and propose a ceasefire with Basileion ton Pontos, so that they do not imagine our intentions.
    I PROPOSE we must ask Moolinaargh not to reveal our secret objectives in the Spartan assembly and vice-versa .

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    I AGREE with Jirisys's motion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jirisys View Post
    and propose a ceasefire with Basileion ton Pontos, so that they do not imagine our intentions.
    I DISAGREE with this half of jirisys' motion, Sinope is our allied! we cant turn our backs on them in public!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Blacksmith View Post
    I DISAGREE with this half of jirisys' motion, Sinope is our allied! we cant turn our backs on them in public!
    Do you propose anything instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Blacksmith View Post
    I DISAGREE with this half of jirisys' motion, Sinope is our allied! we cant turn our backs on them in public!
    I meant that we should liberate it from the pontic people, since we wouldn't be able to arrive in time before it fell to pontic hands.

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    We should let the Army of Sparta and the Army of the Alliance to march through our lands in order to engage the spread out Makedonians and capture the vulnerable Demetrias. And how exactly will we be able to take Mytilene if we disbanded our navy? We must levy a new one.
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    Default Re: Koinon Hellenon: Athens X Sparta (.org X TWCenter), a participative AAR - Athenai

    Quote Originally Posted by jirisys View Post
    I meant that we should liberate it from the pontic people, since we wouldn't be able to arrive in time before it fell to pontic hands.

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    Not necessarily. Pontus has more men and superb cavalry, but Sinope has infantry of higher quality. Also Pontic phalangites are not very good at assaults. Sinope may manage to drive off the Pontic army without help.

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